Oxfam Staff Sexual Exploitation

There is a world of difference between a squaddie paying a wizzened old hag for a knee trembler in the gents toilets and what is being alleged to have gone on in Haiti. (Note, contrary to popular belief, matelots don't need prostitutes as attractive women throw themselves at us free of charge)

For a start, there are accusations of at least semi-organised child abuse. IIRC a previous post on this thread stated that it's an open secret that paedophiles target NGOs working in disaster zones. Logical enough as large numbers of newly orphaned kids wandering about where nobody knows if they're dead or alive must be paedo nirvana. No western military force would tolerate an open secret like that.

Secondly, there have been accusations that many of the prostitutes only went on the game because they were destitute and that NGO staff exploited this. To dangle money in front of some poor, starving sod in return for sex is beneath contempt.

Thirdly, Oxfam seems to have been able to investigate itself and declare that there's nothing to see hear, move along please. This is a whitewash on a par with Shami Chakrabarti discovering that the Labour Party isn't anti-Semitic five minutes before Jeremy Corbyn elevated her to the peerage and made her Shadow Attorney General.

Oxfam has been no friend of Tory governments. I believe they nearly lost their charitable status in the Thatcher era due to the amount of money they spent on political campaigning. Hopefully we'll see a fair and transparent investigation followed by some dirty b@stards being deported to Haitian prisons where I believe the en suite facilities consist of a bucket for you and your 50 cell mates to use.
 
With this sexual exploitation show still on the road, what next, may be what the VSO gap year people get up to in their shithole of choice. You know the sponsorship form pushed under your nose at work to raise £1.5k to send Tobi to said shithole for 6 months before or after Uni ?
 
Yes, all whoring is exploitative.
I'm afraid that is a generalisation too far. We know a young woman, 30-ish and very good looking, who is an escort. She knows exactly what she is doing, which is making a fortune serving a pre-existing market that has a shortage of quality supply. She is not a junkie, pays tax, is conscientious about her health and is a well brought up young lady.

I agree that this is not the same thing as was going on in Haiti, which was horrendous by any measure, but your generalisation is well wide of the mark.
 
I've no problem with transactional sex when both parties are consenting. I have a big problem when the seller is coerced through human trafficking or other abuse to sell their body. Holland, where prostitution is legal, is implementing laws that make it illegal to pay for sex with a trafficked woman. About time too.

I also have a big problem with men in power abusing that power and that is what van H did. As Oxfam's in-country head, he held authority and considerable influence CBF in Kenya (is there one?) condoning an all ranks party at which a busload of toms is arranged. then taking an early lead in the whoring. He was in a key leadership post; he should have been setting and example and disciplining those who broke Oxfam's clear code of conduct.

There was obviously also a serious breach in oversight at the corporate level. Oxfam's governance should have picked this up and dealt with it far earlier. instead, they appointed the man to key leadership roles multiple times despite the rumours and probably the evidence.

This is no different from the Catholic Church covering institutional abuse, the BBC condoning Saville etc etc. It is fundamentally different from soldiers and sailors whoring off duty in the local fleshpots. The RAF of course are different; you get a different class of tom in a luxury hotel...
 

TheIronDuke

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This is a whitewash on a par with Shami Chakrabarti discovering that the Labour Party isn't anti-Semitic five minutes before Jeremy Corbyn elevated her to the peerage and made her Shadow Attorney General.
By a spooky coincidence The Great Goat Corbyn has just been on the 10 o'clock Sky news (no link yet) batting his gums about the horror of the Oxfam scandal. Maybe he should appoint Shami to investigate then he could appoint her to, er... whats bigger than the House of Lords?

Meanwhile, this is worth a read.....

The Oxfam scandal is the start of the charities’ MeToo moment | Coffee House
 

TheIronDuke

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"Oxfam offered aid for sex" in this evenings headlines. Harry Potter hamster Emma Watson was appointed UN Goodwill Ambassador. I am poor and disadvantaged.

If Emma would like to offer me a quick one for aid I would give her FB profile a 'like'. .
 
By a spooky coincidence The Great Goat Corbyn has just been on the 10 o'clock Sky news (no link yet) batting his gums about the horror of the Oxfam scandal. Maybe he should appoint Shami to investigate then he could appoint her to, er... whats bigger than the House of Lords?

Meanwhile, this is worth a read.....

The Oxfam scandal is the start of the charities’ MeToo moment | Coffee House
Interesting approach by Capt Birdseye of Islington, with Oxfam being a 'left leaning'charity, working for them should be on your CV to get on a Labour selection list? thought the silence would be deafening so what is the old stoat up to? If it was a 'Tory' supporting charity he would of course be screaming his head off. May be the Oxfam fall from grace is due to Mrs T and 'er cuts?
 

Goatman

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There is a world of difference between a squaddie paying a wizzened old hag for a knee trembler in the gents toilets and what is being alleged to have gone on in Haiti. (Note, contrary to popular belief, matelots don't need prostitutes as attractive women throw themselves at us free of charge
Times have changed then- every manjack going ashore in Pusan* back in the day was issued with NSN: 6515-99-899-5800 Qty3, shaggers for the use of.

The Coxn also cheerfully reminded us that the US Seventh Fleet had just passed through and a dose of clap was the least of our worries.

The South Korean Navy then laid on a tilly which took us directly to Texas Street, the local red-light district.

( " me love you l-o-o-ng time ...ooh you so hard you make me horny!" ' Er...that's my belt buckle chuck?' )




*insert any port South of 49°56'5.99" N -6°19'13.20" W , excluding Dakar,where no sane man goes ashore.
 
I remember a priest getting caught cottaging, he was sent to Africa for retraining, expect he has been busy with little brown boys ever since.
How long ago was this?

I'm not being flippant; a lot has changed in a short space of time.

In my lifetime (and I'm still of working age, thank you very much) our society has gone from strippers in every pub, overt racism (no dogs, no blacks, no Irish), and a culture of 'who give a toss what the natives think', to where we are now.

My question is would a priest caught abusing boys today be treated in the same way as the one you know of?

The way I see it, this whole Oxfam issue is just one aspect and the latest iteration of a predominantly younger generation highlighting to an older one that what may have been morally acceptable to their grandparents/parents is unacceptable now.

A few years ago this story/expose wouldn't have got any traction after the Sunday rags had had their fun, but now.....
 

jarrod248

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How long ago was this?

I'm not being flippant; a lot has changed in a short space of time.

In my lifetime (and I'm still of working age, thank you very much) our society has gone from strippers in every pub, overt racism (no dogs, no blacks, no Irish), and a culture of 'who give a toss what the natives think', to where we are now.

My question is would a priest caught abusing boys today be treated in the same way as the one you know of?

The way I see it, this whole Oxfam issue is just one aspect and the latest iteration of a predominantly younger generation highlighting to an older one that what may have been morally acceptable to their grandparents/parents is unacceptable now.

A few years ago this story/expose wouldn't have got any traction after the Sunday rags had had their fun, but now.....
Was having sex in toilets with other men, not children. I reckon would've been about 20 years ago, off to Africa to be trained to be good and I'm sure he was and is.

Fair points about things not being acceptable to the youth that was years ago, then this Oxfam thing wasn't years ago.
 
I look forward to a thread started on here to castigate the behaviour of the British Army whilst whoring then...

I have no problem with calling out the behaviour of the Oxfam workers (or others); what they did was reprehensible and utterly wrong. There are significant cultural problems - led mainly by white middle class blokes* - within the international NGO community. Equally, there are some really dedicated personnel working out in the field as well.

I'm just bored of the old folk (in the main) on here being more than willing to condemn others without having the decency to accept they may well have been equally complicit in actions of "questionable morality"...

*you know, the ones the snowflakes aren't fond of. Does that feel uncomfortable, to be on the same side of the ones you mock frequently?
Shut ******* up, you colossal bore!!!
 

napier

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I'm afraid that is a generalisation too far. We know a young woman, 30-ish and very good looking, who is an escort. She knows exactly what she is doing, which is making a fortune serving a pre-existing market that has a shortage of quality supply. She is not a junkie, pays tax, is conscientious about her health and is a well brought up young lady.

I agree that this is not the same thing as was going on in Haiti, which was horrendous by any measure, but your generalisation is well wide of the mark.
If you could pass her details on to me I'll ensure the Reverend Napier's Mission for Fallen Women is informed..
 
This is enough to make a cat laugh. Like many on here, I've had experience of dealing with Oxfammers in the crappier parts of the planet, and with few exceptions they've taken everything they could from us whilst sneering at we fascist bullyboys, and blaming us for the sun not setting in the morning and the moon not being made of cheese. The years of preachy hand wringing and overt political campaigning that we've had to endure from these tossers hopefully will be at an end, or at the very least will pause for a short while.

Popcorn anyone?
 
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