Overweight Knockback

#1
Made my first steps towards joining the army today.
Filled out the application for Royal Engineer (bricklayer)
Just wondering if my weight will be a problem, I have no problem with the fitness requirements but am over weight by a couple of stone.
Do they go purely on a Height / Weight basis. Or is it more along the lines of if you can do the fitness it doesnt matter how much you weigh.
Ive got no problems putting in the hard work and losing it if needed, but just thought id ask before i go for my barb.
 
#4
Yeah i agree. Start my running program from tomorrow then.
Always been pretty fit but to many boozy nights out in the last year have put abit of a gut on me.
whats an acceptable bmi?
I think mines about 27 or 28 at the moment.
 
#5
Unfortunatly the BMI is a simple measurment of hight and weight so if you are very fit (muscle wieghs far more than fat -- most of the 6 nations rugby players would fail the BMI) there is no problem, but it is a recruiting tool and guide. If you are fit and carry no excess weight it still should not be too much of a problem - but you must be honest with yourself.
 
#6
Oh im not very fit by any means. But at present i can just scrape the 1.5mile run time and no problem with push ups and sit ups.
Im just the rugby player type build, always been big but always active and fit. I think it will take about 2 months of training to get the gut off
 
#7
Unfortunately it does go on the BMI (which is still around 27) I believe but a recruiter will be given a chance to send you through to selection if he believes your body fat is below 20 %. This is hard to judge at the ACIO and I sent a couple down in my time who were passed by the sisters at ADSC and a few who were deferred. By the end of the day get your self below the BMI standards for the application process which the Recruiter will inform you of when you go to the ACIO. If your working on your running then you should lose a bit of excess anyway.
 
#8
Yeah, my BMI isnt to far from 27.
But im going to train for a couple of months first anyway.
Rather go to the fitness tests with confidence. Abit annoyed that ive let myself get over weight. But i guess phase 1 will whip that out of me anyway.
Cheers for the advise guys.
 
#9
Sadly, they still use the farcicle BMI system. They allow a little lee-way based on your frame, I'm not sure if 27 falls within that lee-way though.

My BMI is nearly 28 (overweight!), but I am lean/athletic build and currently midway through RM training, so I must be doing something right.

Start training now if you don't already, and you'll probably suprise yourself anyway.
 
#10
I was told that the upper limit for BMI is 30. Although BMI is rediculously inaccurate 30 is undoubtadly too fat. When I was in peak condition my BMI was 26 (which is quite overweight) and I had hardly any fat so there is clearly a problem with the system. If you are a weird build (stocky or lanky) you might register as outside healthy limits but a BMI of 30 classifies you as obese so you definately should be under that!

J.
 
#11
My old Tiffy, was RM trained etc etc, he was tall, very fit, big fella, but not fat. According to his BMI he was obese. I think the fact that the Army use this BMI pish when people join now a days is a joke.
 
#14
BMI is very inaccurate. In this day and age, why cant they go for a body fat measurement
My BMI is 28. I am a little over weight, maybe half a stone or so. But my arms legs and chest are all still solid from years of rugby.
Im confident i could do the majority of the basic fitness tests. But just worried about the pull ups as ive always struggled with them.
If 30 is the upper BMI limit then ill be fine. But i thought it would be the "healthy weight" section of the BMI
 
#15
BMI is nonsense.
Recruities should be judged by run time, and a few tests of upper body strength. They should be given some tasks requiring initiative to complete under pressure and assessed on teamwork and attitude to discipline.
Either an individual is ready to begin basic training or isn't. BMI has no bearing on it.
 
#16
John_Charity_Spring said:
Either an individual is ready to begin basic training or isn't. BMI has no bearing on it.
Im not too sure. If your BMI was over 30 you might be able to make the run time and strength tests but being seriously overweight is just begging for an injury/heart attack during PT or exercise. If it was my choice I wouldnt allow people over BMI 30 to start either.

BMI IS inacurate BUT there is a limit. I dont think many people at BMI 30 (with the possible exception of powerlifters, bodybuilders, heavyweight boxers, although power athletes could hardly be expected to run any distance) are fit to do basic training.

J.
 
#17
John_Charity_Spring said:
BMI is nonsense.
Recruities should be judged by run time, and a few tests of upper body strength. They should be given some tasks requiring initiative to complete under pressure and assessed on teamwork and attitude to discipline.
Either an individual is ready to begin basic training or isn't. BMI has no bearing on it.
you ever known anybody who is heavier then they should be to start a running program.

a mate of mine did, he suffered from the lot. shin splints, tendons giving way, all sorts.

if you weigh more then your frame should, its like an average person running with a weighted bag. chance of injury increases, especially when you start adding weight on top of their bodyweight. longer term, they will probably suffer cripling arthritus in old age, in most weight bearing joints.

also, if you passed adsc with a BMI of 30, think of the poor ******* who have to firemans carry you, and attempting to rescue you if your actually wounded.

carrying a 15 stone person with kit and rifle, thats no small order, its more like moving a beached whale.
 
#18
As said earlier you wouldnt pass with a BMI of 30 anyway, there is a little bit of leway the SMO might give if you had a very good athletic physice and body fat was extremely low. The applicants i sent down in that criteria (after letters advising it from RG) that were around 28 BMI were unfortunately sent back after there medical on day one once the med sister assessed their body fat. It is hard to judge if over a BMI of 27 so the best thing is to lose weight to be 27 BMI and under.
 
#19
carlcardiff said:
BMI is very inaccurate. In this day and age, why cant they go for a body fat measurement
My BMI is 28. I am a little over weight, maybe half a stone or so. But my arms legs and chest are all still solid from years of rugby.
Im confident i could do the majority of the basic fitness tests. But just worried about the pull ups as ive always struggled with them.
If 30 is the upper BMI limit then ill be fine. But i thought it would be the "healthy weight" section of the BMI
It is too expensive to measure BF accurately and people would have the same arguement as for BMI.

"You're too fat"
"But my weight is only 12 stone and I run a mile and a half in 7 mins 30?"
"Yes but the chart says you're too fat"
 

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