Over 37 Package

#1
I've just been reading some bumph on JPA and the changes to regulations. I am due to benefit from the Over 37 Package on my next posting (later this year), so I was keen to see what it said.

It seems that it will be switching to a length-of-service (LoS)-based criteria (18 yrs) - which is fair enough, however reading on, there is a paragraph which stated

"On transition, those individuals who are currently in receipt of separation benefits and not paying accn charges under the Over 37 provision will lose their entitlement to separation benefits and be liable for accommodation charges with effect 1 Apr 07."

It's all very wooly, but would this just mean people who had joined up late i.e. they were 37 or over but had served less than 18 years?
 
#2
I have just read throug JSP 754 and as far as I can see, the over 37 provision remains unchanged.

"Waiver of Accommodation Charges

09.0107. SLA charges will be waived in the following circumstances:
.......
u. Over Age 37 Provision. Army personnel in PStat Cat 1s/c or 2 who elect to serve unaccompanied under the terms of the Army over age 37 provision will not pay SLA charges. "
 
#3
Policy changes again.

Over 37 Provision

"Current - An individual may opt to serve unaccompanied at age 37 or over and receive separation benefits and a waiver of single accommodation charges.

Future - Policy yet to be determined by PS4(A)

"This is an Army requirement - the other two Services do not have an accompanied service policy.

PS4(A) to complete - move from 'aged-based' allowances -

"All Regular personnel over the age of 37.

On transition, those individuals who are currently in receipt of separation benefits and not paying accn charges under the Over 37 provision will lose their entitlement to separation benefits and be liable for accommodation charges with effect 1 Apr 07.

PS4(A) to provide policy for new replacement provision ASAP.
Extract received from PS10.

It's all very wooly, but would this just mean people who had joined up late i.e. they were 37 or over but had served less than 18 years?
This should apply to all personnel 01 Apr.
 
#4
wickedwitch said:
Policy changes again.

Over 37 Provision

"Current - An individual may opt to serve unaccompanied at age 37 or over and receive separation benefits and a waiver of single accommodation charges.

Future - Policy yet to be determined by PS4(A)

"This is an Army requirement - the other two Services do not have an accompanied service policy.

PS4(A) to complete - move from 'aged-based' allowances -

"All Regular personnel over the age of 37.

On transition, those individuals who are currently in receipt of separation benefits and not paying accn charges under the Over 37 provision will lose their entitlement to separation benefits and be liable for accommodation charges with effect 1 Apr 07.

PS4(A) to provide policy for new replacement provision ASAP.
Extract received from PS10.

It's all very wooly, but would this just mean people who had joined up late i.e. they were 37 or over but had served less than 18 years?
This should apply to all personnel 01 Apr.
Sorry, I'm being a bit dim and i know you have just put this in writing for me but - I am currently on the over 37 package in SSSA accn, working 260 miles from home (commuting at weekends). I get GYH(P) and FIA plus free accn. I bought my house based on this fact and frankly without the aforementioned allowances I will not be able to afford to keep it. Am I about to be in deep deep pooh ?
 
#5
Sorry, I'm being a bit dim and i know you have just put this in writing for me but - I am currently on the over 37 package in SSSA accn, working 260 miles from home (commuting at weekends). I get GYH(P) and FIA plus free accn. I bought my house based on this fact and frankly without the aforementioned allowances I will not be able to afford to keep it. Am I about to be in deep deep pooh ?
I do not know your exact particulars, but you will need to read JSP 752, Chapter 5, all about INVOLSEP and VOLSEP as to where you lie with this. Bear in mind that only the Army so far are insisting on this regulation, the RN and RAF are not playing ball at the mo. You may need to initiate casework explaining your situation to your RAO who will subsequently forward it to Bde etc, if you require to do so. :neutral:
 
#6
So what is the best course of action for the population on the over 37 package - should we all be drafting our case letters now and overloading the very busy RAO Dept's whilst their are mid transition to JPA, or hold our nerves for the next 2 months in the hope that the 'powers that be'/bean counters - PS4(A) - come up with an alternative package ready to roll out 01 Apr 07(or is this an elaborate Apr fools joke!!). :frustrated:
 
#7
The pay staff serving with me understand it as, it will be purely based on time served. Once you have served your 18 years you can apply for exemption from accommodation charges. This is actually common sense especially when you could have a 33 year old joining up now and only have to pay 4 years worth accommodation charges then live in block or mess for free until you are 55 on the old scheme!!! A tad unfair!

I'm in the same boat as the Cardinal! Hopefully I can stop paying accommodation charges in April rather than wait until I'm 37 in August!
 
#8
Over 37 package all I can advise is to check, check and double check again that the RAO are giving you the right information. Due to me being given a complete load of crap when I left Hameln I was shafted and unable to claim the over 37 allowance during my last 2 1/2 years in the army, because I hadn't followed the right procedure!
 
#10
From my pay bloke in colchester, we start paying accom in april, also mentioned fuel and light charges might be introduced later in the year, this will seriously dent finances for all that are on over 37 package.
Interesting piece on page 53 feb issue of soldier mag, Brig Gordon states" if an individual opts to serve unaccom and meets eligibilty criteria, single accom and CILCOT charges are waived". No mention of JPA tho!!
Comments Please
 
#11
Think It is about time someone in the the know (assuming there is anyone) came clean and told us all about the new rules and how they willimpact on the over 37 provision and if it going what will replace it.
 
#12
They dont want to tell us the bad news before it happens, that way we cant go running to the pay office and complain, or as a few in colchester have done demanded a posting nearer to their "home", this is going to impact quiet a few older heads and if we start getting pi***d about are we really going to put a lot of effort into retention of the young ones? its hard enough trying to get more than 4 years out of them as it is.
 
#13
Our man in the know in our Regt has told us that there is nothing inplace at the moment - they are indeed looking at the 18 years time served angle. BUT it may not be in place by the time JPA rolls out -So expect to be charged food accom, ciloct, in April.
He advised us to press the case within units, put pressure on the pay geeks for a firm answer.
So expect reduced beer tokens when JPA kicks in.
 
#15
On posting here, no accom for family, DHE or Rented so took decision to but at "home" and see family every other weekend. Forced into decision due to lack of help from DHE/Rental people, be interesting to see what happens over the coming months of pay disruption, for JPA read any other computer system that the mil/gov have bought that isnt upto the job.
Are we going back to having an admin SNCO? how many blokes/ladies are going to have access to computers to sort out their claims? one almighty cockup waiting to happen.
 
#16
Well I'm effectively in an ISODET as far as JPA is concerned. I have tried to get an answer from my admin staff but unfortunately my pay person does not speak much english (NODUFF) and really can't comprehend what I am trying to ask, even when presented in writing. His boss is away on a 6 week course. His bosses boss isn't sure.

There is a very serious bottom line here for me, and many others.

If I in April I am suddenly faced with food/accn/ciloct charges then there is NO DOUBT that I will have to sell my house and move back into MQ's.

This in turn raises a lot of problems, some of these are :

1. I am not entitled to any assistance as i have used my "final tour of duty" card ie: had my last move paid for. Approx cost of removals/estate agents/solicitors etc etc £5k

2. If i do sell my house (under current regulations) then I will have to pay back the relocation costs that I got through making my "final move". Cost £4.5k

3. I have only owned the house for one year, It will cost me about £3.5k just to get out of the fixed mortgage.

4. Rental prices where i live are not even 60% of my current mortgage payment so it is not an option.

My only saving grace is that I am currently on a period of continuance so I am not waiting for the Holy Grail called the pension..if I go now I get it.

My only real course of action would be to leave, take my lump sum and run.

The thing is I need to know this information NOW, not in 2 months time when I'm £500 worse off, I have a family to look after.

I've given 25 years of my time to this lot and the least they can do is keep me informed (one way or the other) to enable me to make life changing decisions.

I have heard the following:

"it is being dealt with"

To me this can be mean two things:

1. Provisions are being made to make sure that nobody loses out.

2. Provisions are being made to deal with a massive surge of complaints.

Does anyone on here have a name and number I can call to get a definitive answer, please don't quote chapter and verse unless YOU ARE the person I should be calling. I don't care what level/rank the person is but I would hope SO2 as a minimum, preferably LE so we can lose the flannel.

As an aside. If it is the case that the over 37 package is to be scrapped, does anyone think I can class this as a change in pay and conditions to enable me to get an immediate discharge? or at least give a couple of months notice to do a bit of resettlement ?

Thanks for listening and hopefully someone can help.
 
#17
I know this is not the immediate answer you seek Floppyjocky - but for the benefit of all of us in this situation - today our Regt orders had an inclusion from our RAO stating that those people on the over 37 package would not loose out financially come April, due to decision by PS4(A) (There are no planned changes to the current package - there will be something to match it on JPA) . However they wont guarantee the long term future of the package as it will be subject to scrutiny. So all hunky-dory in the short term (however long that may be for!?).
 
#18
Heinz-57, Many thanks for that. It does help to be honest..i'm pulling what little grey hair I have left out and what you have said sounds very hopeful.

Cheers mate
 

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