Our tank was a death trap

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  1. The title says it: he got hit by an AT missile - interesting to note that both tanks involved were hit in precisely the same spot, and they never knew from where - thoughtful reading...

    Brewed Up
  2. Good article and a good insight into the current mood in Israel. Confidence is a fragile thing...........
  3. He's not very happy about the Merkava V's RPG29 contest is he, thats quite a nasty weak spot that evidently is part of Hezb basic training.
  4. http://www.roe.ru/p_prod/army/rpg29.htm Even half that armour penetration is scary.....

    And I seem to recall being taught weak spots on Red Star armour not that long ago! Good skills and drills is I can say....

    I suspect I'd be more annoyed at being left to drag another tank out the FEBA without infantry escort and support. Gave the tank hunting team free range to roam around and find the weak spots

    Very bad drills
  5. Our tank was a death trap

    Jonathan Spyer

    This is a very interesting read. I’m sure I read somewhere else, that there were 40+ misile hits on Israeli tanks.


    Edited to add:-

    Found it. 46 tanks hit.

    The casualties from Russian-made anti-tank missiles have caused particular concern. An Israeli-invented radar defence shield codenamed Flying Jacket and costing £200,000 was installed on only four tanks. None of them was struck by anti-tank missiles.

    But Hezbollah hit 46 tanks that lacked the shield. “£200,000 per tank is not beyond Israel’s means,” noted one military source acidly.

  6. Sounds like a hairy experience for the guy.. and the fact that he and the other crew were left to fend for themselves on their own in hostile territory would not be good. But as other posters have pointed out, Hizballah are far from a bunch of fanatics depending on Allah to guide them. Granted they have been equipped apparently very well for their mission. Tanks in bad tank country like the hills of southern Lebanon are very vunerable without proper support, either through infantry or gunships.
    Bad planning and underestimating the enemy on the part of the General Staff in Nothern command? Probably.
  7. If the tank is a death trap, how come he's still alive, with all his crew, and most of his colleagues?

    Some dodgy decisions were made that weren't the tank's fault, but ultimately two side hits with ATGMs and only one fatality really isn't that bad.

  8. I thought it was interesting on 3 specific counts:

    a) The precision of the shooting, coupled with the complete lack of warning, suggests a competent enemy, at the very least... So much for the days of biff Arab forces.

    b) As noted, the lack of combined arms synchronisation - or even some sort of basic 'actions on' forethought - by the Israelis is something I'd hope we would fail a JNCO for on a basic tactics course... So much for the crack, elite, invincible Israeli troops...

    c) The morale picture painted is far from the image of Israeli determination that is the popular conception.

    For me, this reinforces a suspicion that, in addition to the obvious PR and military failures of the campaign, the biggest mistake the Israelis have made - both with respect to internal, and external, perceptions of their armed forces - is not to have achieved a quick, decisive, clear-cut victory... Without pushing the parallel too far, one can think of the British perception of the Japs and the Germans in WW2: once their respective auras of excellence/untouchability were punctured, they became a much less frightening bogeyman... Interesting times ahead....
  9. Could it be that what we see in IDF tactics is result of their very clear victories in past situations? 3 Day Wars etc. Quick attack - maybe even pre-emptive, high mobility and lots of independence for lower level commanders. Certainly HB had prepared for this one and were not such a run to the rear army as past opponents.