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That's a lovely picture of an Irish submarine.
 

Proff3RTR

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The Belgium Special Forces Group formed in 2010 from 1 Para appear quite ally. They are the heirs to the wartime Belgium SAS and wear the maroon beret with the winged dagger capbadge.

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It's the flaming sword of damacles, the fiery sword of retribution. Not wings.
 

Proff3RTR

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Why did Roy Farran give his book the title The Winged Dagger then?
It is the flaming sword of damacles, or I should say that is what Lt Col Stirlings original idea for it was. The winged dagger is a modern/later take, goggle it and you will find all the info.
Here is a link THE SPECIAL AIR SERVICE (SAS) it may well be classed as a 'winged'dagger these days, but it was originally classed as I said.
and this thread from our very own ARRSE

If the above turns out to be total pony, I will happily eat my own Mk7

all the best
 
It is the flaming sword of damacles, or I should say that is what Lt Col Stirlings original idea for it was. The winged dagger is a modern/later take, goggle it and you will find all the info.
Here is a link THE SPECIAL AIR SERVICE (SAS) it may well be classed as a 'winged'dagger these days, but it was originally classed as I said.
and this thread from our very own ARRSE

If the above turns out to be total pony, I will happily eat my own Mk7

all the best
I aware that it was meant to be the flaming sword of damacies. Apparently Duncan Tait also thought of the sword Exalibur when he designed it. But as your link says it ended up commonly referred to as the Winged Dagger. Hence my reference to the Winged Dagger cap badge of the Belgian Special Forces Group.
 
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It's the flaming sword of damacles, the fiery sword of retribution. Not wings.

It is the flaming sword of damacles, or I should say that is what Lt Col Stirlings original idea for it was. The winged dagger is a modern/later take, goggle it and you will find all the info.
Here is a link THE SPECIAL AIR SERVICE (SAS) it may well be classed as a 'winged'dagger these days, but it was originally classed as I said.
and this thread from our very own ARRSE

If the above turns out to be total pony, I will happily eat my own Mk7

all the best
If you want to whinge have a crack at the Gyppo tailors who made the first capbadges, but previous intentions mean bograll.
The missus intended her third child to be a girl, but it doesn't make her son one.
 
If you want to whinge have a crack at the Gyppo tailors who made the first capbadges, but previous intentions mean bograll.
The missus intended her third child to be a girl, but it doesn't make her son one.
That is what I remember from reading his book years ago. The quote was something along the lines of. "I designed a flaming sword of Damocles hanging over the heads of our enemies, them never knowing when it was going to fall on them, what I got back from the local tailor who made the badges up was some sort of little dagger with a set of wings so we just had to go with that."
 
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Proff3RTR

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If you want to whinge have a crack at the Gyppo tailors who made the first capbadges, but previous intentions mean bograll.
The missus intended her third child to be a girl, but it doesn't make her son one.
Fair comment mucka, but I do wonder what it actually is then, flaming sword, or Wings..........
 
In my opinion, the main defence problems in EU Europe centre around Germany. Significant parts of the Germany political system don't want an effective defence because of domestic political reasons peculiar to Germany. None the less one is undeniably needed.

They have attempted to square that circle by outsourcing the problem to the Americans. The Americans however are becoming less and less willing to fill that role, and indeed are less and less able to do so as they concentrate more and more on Asia.

Somehow the existing political consensus in Germany has to be broken and a new one made in which Germany assumes an obligation for providing the leading role in conventional defence against Russia. I'm not sure how to produce that political change, but it is necessary.
With the Federal Elections just round the corner and the Socialists currently leading according to the opinion polls, things don't look cosy for the German Forces. Added to that is the fact that coalitions are a way of life in Germany, possible partners are the Greens and die Linke, neither of which are pro-defence. In fact die Linke would prefer to take Germany out of Nato.
Putin must be laughing so much that it hurts, hopefully it hurts a lot.
 
That is what I remember from reading his book years ago. The quote was something along the lines of. "I designed a flaming sword of Damocles hanging over the heads of our enemies, them never knowing when it was going to fall on them, what I got back from the local tailor who made the badges up was some sort of little dagger with a set of wings so we just had to go with that."
Duncan Tait designed the badge. The original motto was Seek and Destroy but David Stirling changed it to Who Dares Wins.
 
Duncan Tait designed the badge. The original motto was Seek and Destroy but David Stirling changed it to Who Dares Wins.
I didn't know the seek and destroy bit. It must be 25 years since I read that book and it was the bit about it being an error on the part of the bloke who knocked the first lot of badges up for them that resulted in a winged dagger rather than flaming sword that lodged somewhere in the sieve.

Whatever way it came about it is a good looking badge, and to be honest a flaming sword with seek and destroy sounds like something some US SF unit would wear. I think the tailor, inadvertently, did them a favour.

...and now I have the chorus from a certain Metallica track on loop in my head....wonderful.
 
I didn't know the seek and destroy bit. It must be 25 years since I read that book and it was the bit about it being an error on the part of the bloke who knocked the first lot of badges up for them that resulted in a winged dagger rather than flaming sword that lodged somewhere in the sieve.

Whatever way it came about it is a good looking badge, and to be honest a flaming sword with seek and destroy sounds like something some US SF unit would wear. I think the tailor, inadvertently, did them a favour.

...and now I have the chorus from a certain Metallica track on loop in my head....wonderful.
When you think about it. It would be some PR persons wildest dream to invent such an iconic image and motto.
 
Portuguese QRF of the UN MINUSCA mission to the Central African Republic.

Notice the new portuguese camouflage which is replacing the DPM pattern worn for the past decades.

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