Our beloved MPs and their well deserved expenses

#1
I read at the weekend that prior to today's publication of MP's expense claims, a large number of them had suddenly realised they had inadvertently made a few mistakes. They were apparently allowed to pay back the oversights with no further action taken. Now, call me Mr Picky but if someone in the forces so much as considers a false claim for £4.25 (or whatever a 5 hr NRSA claim is) then it's off the great big military hanging judge with a one way ticket to the outside world and loss of any pension accrued (and rightly so). Surely, our elected MPs should be above reproach and brimming with integrity. Sadly, it would appear that at least some of them are nothing more than a bunch of lying, money grabbing, self-serving, thieving gypsy bastards. Are these really the kind of people we want making life or death decisions on our behalf?

Or am I, perhaps, being unfair? :?
 
#2
Saw some Labour MP trying to justify his colleagues' expenses, arguing that they would be earning much more had they continued in their original professions. He supplied the example of Major Eric Joyce, AGC(ETS) retd, who he argued would undoubtedly be a Colonel had he stayed in the Army...
 
#3
Shit - there goes my theory then. Good old Eric. :(
 
#4
I think it's the break down of these expenses that'll be interesting.
Travel for wives and families plus accommodation in London during the sitting of the house.
Even if you’re the MP for Islington...
No wait not him, he doesn't have a wife...


:roll:
 
#6
Messrs Adams and McGuiness apparently claim over £100k each, despite not taking up their seats in Parliament.

Their share of the peace dividend, presumably.
 

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#7
ViroBono said:
Messrs Adams and McGuiness apparently claim over £100k each, despite not taking up their seats in Parliament.

Their share of the peace dividend, presumably.
I thought it was called protection money. :evil: :evil:
 
#8
Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
s*** - there goes my theory then. Good old Eric. :(
True, but the Army's loss is Parliament's gain.

When the Press quote an unnamed "Labour member with military experience" you know they mean Eric, which is reassuring.
 
#9
Surprise surprise, Eric is the second highest expense-claiming Scots MP.

• Mohammad Sarwar, Labour MP for Glasgow Govan, claimed £157,262 expenses.

• Eric Joyce, Labour MP for Falkirk West, claimed £152,861.

• Jim Sheridan, Labour, West Renfrewshire, claimed £150,355.

• Anne Picking, Labour, East Lothian claimed £148,818.

• Angus Robertson, SNP, Moray, claimed £147,975
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041022/17/f52kc.html
 
#10
hackle said:
Saw some Labour MP trying to justify his colleagues' expenses, arguing that they would be earning much more had they continued in their original professions. He supplied the example of Major Eric Joyce, AGC(ETS) retd, who he argued would undoubtedly be a Colonel had he stayed in the Army...
Now let me get this straight. Is this guy implying that outrageously large expense claims are in some way being used to make up the difference between an MP's salary and the amount that they think they should be earning if they had not decided to go all altruistic and get themselves elected?

I was under the impression that expenses were a reimbursement of legitimate expenditure (yep, thought so -- the clue's in the title) necessary for the exercise of their elected office. This guy is therefore practically admitting that his colleagues' expense claims are being used as supplementary income.

Even if you allow enough latitude to this guy's argument, surely the correct response should be 'well eff off, start practising again and leave your seat open for someone who understands the financial implications of holding public office!'

...and how many of the high expenders have second jobs as non-exec directors etc?
 
#12
The Inland Revenue tells me I cannot claim for travel to and from work, or costs to pay for weekday accommodation away from home other than away from the office as well... So why do MP's get it?

As far as I am concerned they knew what the going rate for the job is before they apply (Stand for election) so any comparison with what they could be earning is just smoke & mirrors.

If I had stayed in the army, wow I could be at least a ..............dream on

I wish I had half the allowances they get.
 
#13
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browny31310 said:
Don't you blokes have a pecurinary interests register for all MPs to list the stocks and shares and other incomes that they receive :?:
:idea: Yes they do, but this report is not about 'nice little earners elsewhere or personnel wealth' only extras such as expenses and travel allowances, above their MP's salary, And get this! They do not need to show receipts for everything!!!! Interesting or what..... :roll:

MPs are meant to produce receipts for bills of more than £250 and publication of detailed figures follows a series of disputes over expenses claims,
I visited the Houses of Parliament this year, and there were 3 members sitting in the Commons but the House of Lords was half full!

I wondered why? For answer read on:

Ref: http://www.parliament.uk/works/lords.cfm#pallow

Peers Reimbursements and Allowances
Peers are not paid, i.e. they do not receive a salary except for a small number of members who are salaried by virtue of the office they hold.

Peers can be reimbursed for travel, subsistence and secretarial costs which they may incur in connection with their parliamentary duties in attending either a sitting of the House or a meeting of a Committee of the House.

The allowances are based on recommendations of the Senior Salaries Review Body. The daily maxima (from 1st August 2003) are:

£128.00 overnight accommodation, £64.00 for day subsistence and

£53.50 for secretarial assistance.

Peers’ expenses amount to 31% of the annual running costs of the House of Lords.
While I watched I saw severl members walk in sit down for a short while, and walk out again! How long attendance is needed? This is plus free 1st class rail travel which is not listed.
 
#14
Working for companies doing real work in civvy street I had to account for absolutely everything. I could put in for a small amount of unreceipted expenses to cover things like coin operated drinks dispensers, etc. Even the meals that we had needed to have the breakdown of the food and drink involved, not just the credit card receipt.

The reasons for that were that the taxman would jump all over the company if we weren't seen to be excercising control and also that we needed to control the costs so that we were competitive. For some reason the MPs appear to not subject to the same rules and regulations in terms of tax as the rest of us mere mortals, nor are they subject to the same rules governing cost effectiveness.

If the rest of us tried to follow the same rules as MPs then the Fraud Squad would be down on us like a ton of bricks! :evil:
 
#15
Eric Joyce, even if he had been promoted to Colonel (which would be a few years off probably) still wouldn't be on £152,861. I don't even think the CDS gets that (unless he's dual-trained as a tech :wink:)

Parliament votes for their own pay rise for chrissakes. The widow of an MP who dies in his mistress' bed gets more pension than the family of a soldier killed in action. Hmm...can you get an resettlement course to be an MP?!!!

PD
 
#17
I note that TCH claims various allowances for travel to his constituency, and is allowed, for the purpose of maximising the claims, to say that London is his main residence, on the grounds that because of his job as Lickspittle i/c Defence he has to spend most of his time living there in public accommodation.

Contrast and compare this with the situation many servicemen find themselves in, where they own a house but are obliged to spend the majority of their time on military bases, in public accommodation. They are, of course, not allowed to claim a barrack block or Mess as their main residence in order to claim the discount on Council Tax.

I also note that the top ten claimants are all Labour, and include the particularly unsavoury Keith Vaz.
 
#18
hackle said:
Surprise surprise, Eric is the second highest expense-claiming Scots MP.

• Mohammad Sarwar, Labour MP for Glasgow Govan, claimed £157,262 expenses.

• Eric Joyce, Labour MP for Falkirk West, claimed £152,861.

• Jim Sheridan, Labour, West Renfrewshire, claimed £150,355.

• Anne Picking, Labour, East Lothian claimed £148,818.

• Angus Robertson, SNP, Moray, claimed £147,975
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041022/17/f52kc.html
Only second in the list? I bet he's kicking himself as we speak. Never mind, I'm sure he'll work harder filling in his expense forms to ensure he wins through into top spot next year. Oh and obviously he would be a Colonel by now wouldn't he? That's a bit like every pathetic recruit that crumbles during phase 1 training who the press claim was "a model soldier destined to be an RSM". What a load of absolute shite. :cry:
 
#19
I think they are worth every penny. Think about it most people don’t realise how hard messing peoples lives up really is. all those in depth research meetings on how we can break what is fixed requires the brightest and then best so the pay must reflect this. I for one resent the fact that the people who are destroying my job and career have to survive on a mere £150 000 a year
 

Cutaway

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#20
Any relation to William Joyce......?

:D
 

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