Osborne wields a hefty axe

DOT

Old-Salt
#2
We are able to sleep safe tonight in our beds as Osborne and Alexander are on stag.

Spending Review: Osborne Wields The Axe Again

Hi fastmedic

DOT will make sure to post up the defence interests mentioned in the Spending Review as well as the response by the Shadow Chancellor.

When it’s ready we’ll also put up a link to the full transcript for you and other members to read and comment on.

If anyone wants to watch it live right now go to Player
 
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EScotia

Guest
#3
Watched it and while it was little more than the start of the preamble for the next General Election, the thing worth waiting for was Ed Balls making himself, and his party, look utterly stupid.
 
#4
I really cannot understand why overseas financial aid is being protected so much. Why should we sacrifice services in the UK so that other countries can get our money in aid? Charity starts at home, particularly in these times. It doesn't make any sense.
 
#5
Watched it and while it was little more than the start of the preamble for the next General Election, the thing worth waiting for was Ed Balls making himself, and his party, look utterly stupid.
I thought that, too: watching it live and in toto, it seemed that all Balls could do was make feeble jokes with much loud variations of Yah Boo! Sucks noises.

Good to see that my prejudices are reflected elsewhere.
 
#6
I doubt if the Tories will have much else to worry about come 2015.
 
#7
I really cannot understand why overseas financial aid is being protected so much. Why should we sacrifice services in the UK so that other countries can get our money in aid? Charity starts at home, particularly in these times. It doesn't make any sense.
Because the UK is treated as easy pickings, I fully agree that when our own services are being reigned and reduced then overseas budget should not be untouchable & the first to cut, also, wasn't it set in stone by that oaf Brown to be continually protected.


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Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#8
I really cannot understand why overseas financial aid is being protected so much. Why should we sacrifice services in the UK so that other countries can get our money in aid? Charity starts at home, particularly in these times. It doesn't make any sense.
It is utter stupidity. To my mind, at least 50% of the aid budget should be in the form of trade credits which must be spent with a company trading in the UK. Poor countries still get foreign aid and UK companies get a boost to their output. Administered correctly, it could also reduce the opportunity for corruption.

Wordsmith
 
#9
I doubt if the Tories will have much else to worry about come 2015.
I agree with you Biscuits, based on the current line up.
However, if them on the other benches realise their boss (Wee Ed) and his acolytes are holding them back then a coup and a new front bench could greatly enhance their chances.
 
#10
I really cannot understand why overseas financial aid is being protected so much. Why should we sacrifice services in the UK so that other countries can get our money in aid? Charity starts at home, particularly in these times. It doesn't make any sense.
Overseas financial aid is, and always will be in my humble opinion a waste of time, money and most of al just a vote and Euro mutual handshaking exercise. Little can be achieved in third world countries already in the grip of civil unrest and drought/floods/famine unless they really want to help themselves.

More than enough info is on t'internet regarding backhanders and redirection of funds to the well lined pockets of government figures.

Charity does indeed begin in the home, sadly this government, and others to follow seem not to understand this simple concept.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#11
. Administered correctly, it could also reduce the opportunity for corruption.

Wordsmith
"Hello, Mr Kadogo. I am a saleman for a machinary company in Britain. I have some nice kit and a direct line to the Aid budget. Can I sell you some million pound equipment for 2 million? We'll go halves on the difference. Cheers easy."
 
#12
It is utter stupidity. To my mind, at least 50% of the aid budget should be in the form of trade credits which must be spent with a company trading in the UK. Poor countries still get foreign aid and UK companies get a boost to their output. Administered correctly, it could also reduce the opportunity for corruption.

Wordsmith
Absolutely agree, any opportunity to stop corruption is good. Let's start with the Government itself.
 
#13
It is utter stupidity. To my mind, at least 50% of the aid budget should be in the form of trade credits which must be spent with a company trading in the UK. Poor countries still get foreign aid and UK companies get a boost to their output. Administered correctly, it could also reduce the opportunity for corruption.

Wordsmith
Wordsmith,

This is probably one of the best and financially safest options to go for, less chance of abuse and most of all a very greater chance of success in the long term.

Get your arrse in the HoC as soon as possible!
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
"Hello, Mr Kadogo. I am a saleman for a machinary company in Britain. I have some nice kit and a direct line to the Aid budget. Can I sell you some million pound equipment for 2 million? We'll go halves on the difference. Cheers easy."
Hello Mr Kadago. I am an government appointed auditor verifying the contract you undertook in return for trade credits. I note the value of the equipment you sold is twice the market price.

Go directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect £1 million...

Wordsmith
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
Hello Mr Kadago. I am an government appointed auditor verifying the contract you undertook in return for trade credits. I note the value of the equipment you sold is twice the market price.

Go directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect £1 million...

Wordsmith
Done much business in Africa? My idea is simplified but perfectly feasible. Don't get me wrong, I think your idea is good, but corruption is so endemic that you'd need strong auditing trails to keep it in check. To manage it you'd need British administrotrs in country and therein lies the problem. As soon as we started imposing these restrictions we would be accused of "colonialism." Essentially these countries are happy to take the money but refuse any foreign oversight.
 
#18
I grew up listening to stories about Thatcher's cuts, yet year on year the money spent increased. I'm hearing about Cameron's cuts, but still borrowing and spending goes up.

'Cuts' just means diverting the money to whatever private contractors will do the same job less competently and with staff on wages low enough to qualify the workers for Family Credit, but will hire MPs and former Ministers as consultants and non executive directors.
 
#19
"The Ministry of Defence will see its budget maintained in cash terms at £24bn, which will mean a real-terms cut, but money for equipment will rise by 1% a year.

There will also be no further reductions in troop levels, although the Chancellor confirmed the civilian workforce will be slashed."

I thought the civilianisation of the military workforces at ordnance depots etc was originally done because the civvies were cheaper than service personnel, and allowed the military numbers to be reduced.

Seeing as how the military have been cut to the bone, if the civvies are going to follow suit just WHO is going to do the work?

How long before we have a situation whereby we cannot support an operation, or even provide basic logistic support in peacetime, because the staffing and infrastructure just aren't there?

Rodney2q
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
I grew up listening to stories about Thatcher's cuts, yet year on year the money spent increased. I'm hearing about Cameron's cuts, but still borrowing and spending goes up.

'Cuts' just means diverting the money to whatever private contractors will do the same job less competently and with staff on wages low enough to qualify the workers for Family Credit, but will hire MPs and former Ministers as consultants and non executive directors.

How dare you sir I too used to think like that but was swiftly shown the errors of my ways, by shrill and abusive posts explaining what a wonderful place this would be without the public sector.
But if anyone can show me a privatised company which has done a better job, for less money and still managed to make a profit I would like to see it.
 

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