Opting out of The Mess

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  1. Can anyone shed any light on opting out of The Mess? Appreciate it's not the 'done thing' but what's the score now?
     
  2. It was still in QRs the last time I read them that SNCOs and officers had to be members of a mess.
     
  3. Correct me if im wrong but QRs states that a SNCO must be a member of a mess.

    how this works for some PIDs (recruiting posts etc) where no mess is available i dont know.

    In the RLC a contribution is made to the Corps Mess from the one days pay scheme, maybe someone could argue this fills the provisions of QRs.
     
  4. Just the asking of the question suggests that you need filling in!
     
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  5. MrBane

    MrBane War Hero Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Depends entirely on the Razzman at the Regiment you're referring to.

    At ours you can opt out of the Mess albeit you have to have a damn good reason.

    Naturally, career suicide follows shortly after this, but you'd be surprised at how little people really care about if you're in the mess or not.
    Also, anyone that does get excited about it are simply jealous you're not getting spammed for money left right and centre for every shitty function that comes over the horizon.

    Alternatively, break any piece of Mess decoration / picture / award / trophy etc and you'll soon be removed anyway. Although you might find yourself stagging on the gate for some time to come.

    :)
     
  6. why? it's a fair question.
     
  7. Why is that? Are you another person who believes in the mythical power of a Mess?

    As Dingerr has pointed out, there are postings where there arent any Messes so it cant be that important to be part of one.
     
  8. MrBane

    MrBane War Hero Reviewer Reviews Editor

    The Mess is an over-rated and in many places, a long dead tradition that a few of the horrible old and bold who drink too much and have nothing outside of the four walls of camp cling to for dear life.

    Whenever there is a function it ends up with fists flying, women crying or people throwing up, lagging themselves and shitting in inappropriate and unfortunately unlocked offices. It gets old and boring very quickly.

    Plus, with PAYD meaning that any rank can eat at the main cookhouse, why would I want to eat at my Mess and pay a slightly higher rate just for the luxury of some Polish dishwasher picking up my dishes after me instead of taking it to the cleaning hatch?
    Most of our seniors eat in the junior cookhouse. Their free choice.

    :/

    Also, edited to continue the rant and add that since the introduction of SLAM, the communal living / bonding routine was long ago put to death so that the Mess isn't now a continuation of the lads that lived together in six or eight man rooms now living in singles in the Mess and enjoying the bar, it's empty because people are now more used to going back to their rooms and locking their doors to enjoy CoD 34, porn or whatever they get up to behind those closed doors. This in turn means that when people finally get dragged kicking and screaming into the Mess accomodation (Which is greatly inferior to most SLAM) they resent it so much they don't bother to use the Mess facilities and spend as much time as possible out of camp.

    Also, you'll find the most successful Mess locations are the ones on camps in remote locations where there simply is nowhere to escape to without a fair bit of travelling. Here, the Mess serves the purpose of old where you can socialise and interact when other options are limited.

    Tie in the explosion of digital entertainment and online access in camps now as well as ease of travel either publicly or in your car compared to moons ago, people have less reason to muster together in a dingy old building full of old memories that most of them can't relate to. More to be gained from hunting for vic... friends on Plentyofish, gaming, films, etcetcetc.

    The Mess needs to update itself if it wants to survive and provide more in the way of meaningful entertainment that's available every day, not just three times a year.
     
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  9. Thanks for the comments. Basically I'm just fed up having my money thrown away every month for no benefit to me or the mob whatsoever. I'd much rather spend it on my family, thank you ta...

    The reason I'd asked is because a few months back I overheard a conversation along the lines of some human rights (freedom of association) legislation (which, ultimately these days) would likely override Service rules as non membership wouldn't affect 'operational effectiveness'.
     
  10. It does seem it's those from the most Chip Shop of Units complain the most about Mess life. Perhaps it's some function (to paraphrase Alan Clark) of having to buy one's Mess property rather than having stolen it from the Frogs etc.
     
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  11. Just to inform you both, I quite like mess life but then I still think its big and clever to stay up to 6 in morning playing spoof or shock other people dont.
    If messes were so ******* fantastic and loved by everyone in wider army why is it compulsory to be a member?
     
  12. MrBane

    MrBane War Hero Reviewer Reviews Editor

    If I were in the Really Large Corp I'd probably enjoy the Mess as at least there'd be some fanny in it then, instead of just fannies.

    The Mess used to have a purpose and it used to be a very good place for the NCO's to bond as a team and figure out new ways of dealing with the scroats but now it's dropped behind the times and unfortunately old silver, old pictures and old, old stories aren't enough to keep the young lads who're now filling the NCO slots interested and making them want to be a part of it.

    It also doesn't help when the seniors treat it as their pissing ground and frown upon any of the junior NCO's who might dare to wander in on one of the few nights it's actually open. Hence why there's an attitude of '**** that place, it's just full of arrseholes, I'm not going in there'.

    Ho hum.
     
  13. I used to enjoy mess life overseas but since being back in the UK, it has proven to be a complete and utter waste of money. When people work all hours as is the norm these days, if you need a beer, the last place you want to go is to a clinical, atmosphere-less Aspire-run bar thats empty. Throw in the fact that once there, you are still in the Army environment and under its 'rules and regulations' and its a no-brainer.
     
  14. When I was a newbie stripey, my first post was at LWC. I lived in for a month until my quarter was ready. As a Corps man I wasn't made welcome in the slightest. Meal times, I'd ask to sit with others but they didn't include me in conversation, or if I was in first they would sit at other tables. This put me off mess life.
    After 6 months when they all realised the service that I was providing work wise to their courses, they were all friendly and chummy because they thought it would curry favour with me.
    To late, I have a memory like an elephant. The mess building was a shit hole, old full of relics and obnoxious Infanteers who didn't want the Corps blokes in their mess. Especially when I was on duty. Playing the fruitys well after last orders and drinking up time. And then being told to wind my neck in when I asked them to leave the mess so I could lock up. It was their home so I should leave them in peace. Maybe so, their room/bunk is their home not the mess bar.
    How does a newly promoted Sgt argue the toss with a pissed up old scrote of a WO2??

    Thank **** I'm out now
     
  15. Gremlin

    Gremlin LE Good Egg (charities)

    I'm guessing HCR! :)