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OPMI 1

#1
What is the OPMI 1 like now?

Long time lingerer and new poster.

What is the new course like. I have had many 'in my day...' but what is it like now? Is it better for making OP INT and CI BOTH compulsary?

Can units cope with personnel away so long? Is it worth it? What are the forum's thoughts? Ultimately we should all have experience of both Corps disciplines but is it necessary or possible?
 
#3
Ah CR...

Guess again...

I am doing my research. I have asked to attend t'OMPI1 and have been told T'unit might not be able to spare me. What are everyone's thoughts?

how is it different from the old A1 that all you old'n'bold attended?

The cadre for example is rather different...?
 
#4
Holden_McCrotch said:
I am doing my research. I have asked to attend t'OMPI1 and have been told T'unit might not be able to spare me. What are everyone's thoughts?
My advice may be well beyond it's sell-by date.

First: why are you asking to attend this course? Have you not been called forward to attend by APC? IIRC the system decides who needs to do the course, as opposed to individuals deciding it might me fun to attend.

If you are due to attend, MCM div or whatever they are called now, might be especially interested to hear that your unit is unable to release you for a Career course. This constraint on your professional development will need to be recorded in writing at your mid-year appraisal.

There are but a few examples where this type of deferrment is permitted in AGAIs /DINs. You will of course be getting a copy of the letter that your Unit is sending to APC, explaining the operational exingencies are keeping you from this course. APC will doubtelss write back with reassurances over your protected seniority?
If OP MI 1 is still a pre-qualification course, there is the thorny question of POHR you might also miss out on.

If you have already been nominated to do this course, the bottom line is that you must urgently re-address this with your CoC before it becomes a topic of conversation on an internet forum. The next thing you know Mick Smith will run it in the Sunday Times!

( Perhaps you meant to post this on T'Armynet, and posted here by mistake?)
 
#5
Holden_McCrotch said:
What is the OPMI 1 like now?

Long time lingerer and new poster.

What is the new course like. I have had many 'in my day...' but what is it like now? Is it better for making OP INT and CI BOTH compulsary?

Can units cope with personnel away so long? Is it worth it? What are the forum's thoughts? Ultimately we should all have experience of both Corps disciplines but is it necessary or possible?
well, i don't believe i am particularly "old and bold" compared to some of the contributors on here... but i did my A1 in early 96.

in those days, the course consisted of both Int & Sy (CI) phases, as well as a week of IT Sy. i think everyone in the corps should be au fait with both core disciplines, and am occasionally bemused by the apparent dichotomy between espoused positions: "broad career profile, enhanced employability" vs "HUMINT is everything", early specialisation, distancing from the mainstream etc.

if it's now gone back to compulsory int & CI modules, i suspect most of the more experienced would see this as a return to the old ways / reinventing the wheel and going back to something which seemed to work in the past.

as for the unit being able to "spare" you for a career course... can you clarify, were you loaded on the course or are you trying to get it done early? if you've been selected to attend, i would be very surprised if the unit can't live without you. that's not an insult, just a reflection of the importance of getting your career courses done ASAP. but if you're trying to jump the queue, any particular reason you should take the place of someone senior to you? is the course undermanned?

are you on ops? if not, i'd be surprised if you genuinely can't be spared. in 95/96 when bosnia manning was at its peak, we had busy UK security sections manned by a single lance-jack or full screw (plus civvy clerk).

out of interest, how is the cadre element different from what we used to do?

and as for this question:

Holden_McCrotch said:
Ultimately we should all have experience of both Corps disciplines but is it necessary or possible?
... i'm speechless! :)
 
#6
The TDT are conducting a Gap Analysis between the A1 and the Op MI 1. The review will not be complete until Q4 09. Key findings are that the Op MI1 excells due to the faster rail journey into London on Wednesday and Friday.

The A1 competes in other areas such as proximity to Canterbury, especially after lock-ins after 2am. The re-introduction of the 1 week APR module is a must IMHO, essential to include extra periods on scaling and mensuration.
 
#7
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
Holden_McCrotch said:
What is the OPMI 1 like now?

Long time lingerer and new poster.

What is the new course like. I have had many 'in my day...' but what is it like now? Is it better for making OP INT and CI BOTH compulsary?

Can units cope with personnel away so long? Is it worth it? What are the forum's thoughts? Ultimately we should all have experience of both Corps disciplines but is it necessary or possible?
well, i don't believe i am particularly "old and bold" compared to some of the contributors on here... but i did my A1 in early 96.

in those days, the course consisted of both Int & Sy (CI) phases, as well as a week of IT Sy. i think everyone in the corps should be au fait with both core disciplines, and am occasionally bemused by the apparent dichotomy between espoused positions: "broad career profile, enhanced employability" vs "HUMINT is everything", early specialisation, distancing from the mainstream etc.

if it's now gone back to compulsory int & CI modules, i suspect most of the more experienced would see this as a return to the old ways / reinventing the wheel and going back to something which seemed to work in the past.

as for the unit being able to "spare" you for a career course... can you clarify, were you loaded on the course or are you trying to get it done early? if you've been selected to attend, i would be very surprised if the unit can't live without you. that's not an insult, just a reflection of the importance of getting your career courses done ASAP. but if you're trying to jump the queue, any particular reason you should take the place of someone senior to you? is the course undermanned?

are you on ops? if not, i'd be surprised if you genuinely can't be spared. in 95/96 when bosnia manning was at its peak, we had busy UK security sections manned by a single lance-jack or full screw (plus civvy clerk).

out of interest, how is the cadre element different from what we used to do?

and as for this question:

Holden_McCrotch said:
Ultimately we should all have experience of both Corps disciplines but is it necessary or possible?
... i'm speechless! :)[/quote]

That'd be a bloody first!
 
#11
I never did an A1 for the simple reason that they had this daft (but personally beneficial) system where if you passed what they historically referred to as a "SPEC Q" then you were exempt the labourious A1. As a junior CPL at the time, I personally felt thankful that a 12 week OP and CPS Course spared me that pain. I think they binned that concept shortly after 1989 because far too many individuals like me were trying to take the easy route!!!
 
#12
Interesting point by Piglet_files that in previous iterations, personnel were able to bypass the OPMI concept by qualifying in one of the 'specialist' disciplines. At least with this new idea (albeit already done many years ago) everybody gets an 'A1' qual in both OPMI disciplines regardless of their current employment.

Maybe in the future, Section WO2''s who have been employed elsewhere will have an idea what OPMI is about.
 
#13
reebrov said:
Interesting point by Piglet_files that in previous iterations, personnel were able to bypass the OPMI concept by qualifying in one of the 'specialist' disciplines. At least with this new idea (albeit already done many years ago) everybody gets an 'A1' qual in both OPMI disciplines regardless of their current employment.

Maybe in the future, Section WO2''s who have been employed elsewhere will have an idea what OPMI is about.
Yep. Last thing you want in a specialist Corps is specialists.
 
#14
Perevodchik said:
reebrov said:
Interesting point by Piglet_files that in previous iterations, personnel were able to bypass the OPMI concept by qualifying in one of the 'specialist' disciplines. At least with this new idea (albeit already done many years ago) everybody gets an 'A1' qual in both OPMI disciplines regardless of their current employment.

Maybe in the future, Section WO2''s who have been employed elsewhere will have an idea what OPMI is about.
Yep. Last thing you want in a specialist Corps is specialists.
even specialists need the basics mate.





although we all know examples of those who don't think this principle applies to them ;)
 
#16
In 1977 we had to do our A2 as a correspondence course, doing work-related projects which your sect WO2 signed off, then sent off to Depot for validation. This is when talk started about “deeming” people to have passed their A1 by having done a Reptile course instead.

My old grizzly WO2, a PS and China hand, explained that during the 1960s someone decided it would be far more efficient to have one trade stream that did Op Int and the other that did CI. With it’s usual enthusiasm, the Army embraced this concept with open arms and all those A3 pay Band CPLs and below became B3 Tradesmen overnight. The Army saved a small fortune in trade pay, the JNCOs voted with their feet and left. Fortunately someone saw reason and the A2 course was reinstated.

If nothing else, use the course as an opportunity to explain to the future SNCOs where the Army and the Corps are going next. Let them network with each other and swap the rich lessons they have each learned. Distance learning can be programmed to mechanistically get students to meet the EOs and TOs, they have their place, in support. The Microsoft dot Net learning environment, will not teach them the power of their personal network, it will not inspire them to hold with their objective analysis, It may not teach them to, politely but firmly challenge, when faced with preconceived and subjective analysis from their testosterone fuelled E2 superiors or worse: THEM.

My first 16 years were in OPINTEL related roles, I had to draw deep on that experience to survive the next 12 in Protective Security.

On an OCE / SLE tour, how would you feel about having to work alongside a fellow analyst who had done no OPINTEL trade training or work experience whatsoever? Clearly this would not work.

You might also want to use those analytic skills to have an objective think about how another cap badge might step up to the plate if given a blank sheet of paper and a PS / CI / CS / INFOSEC / Force Protection mission?

I'm sure if you wanted to get rid, you could outsource a lot of it......
Good job TMA is still away on business travel !

Perevodchik said:
Yep. Last thing you want in a specialist Corps is specialists.
Overspecialise too much and you could end up with some new trade groups
-One in the Royal Signals, perhaps 2 if you look at INFOSEC
-One in the AGC RMP
-One the the AGC SPS
 
#17
I think I'm with sub on this - a coherent mid-career course for the whole Corps is a great way of ensuring that the Corps doesn't turn into a silo'd collection of specialisms - if we don't hang together, be assured we'll be hanged separately, if you like.

Military promotion courses are becoming less Corps-specific, I gather and in the foreseeable future will probably become fully centralised in order to ensure a consistent delivery of JNCO, SNCO and WO training across the whole Army, with little allowance probably being made for individual Corps requirements. I could imagine three streams to cover the entire land forces.

We will thus need to keep "Corps coherence" through trade courses. In the early 90s we experimented on the Dark Side with the Senior Intelligence Managers' Course, designed to equate to the Royal Signals YoS/Supv R etc stream, but the idea was never properly funded and didn't take off - the light side thought it was a risible waste of money, I gather. In the absence of something like this, and given that this was delivered at the Sgt/SSgt level, a longish course for senior Cpls from across the entire Corps strikes me as sensible.

Incidentally, TMA's "business travel"? I should be so lucky....
 
#18
I am beginning to think I have a doppelganger. Or have I gone all schizo with old timers disease and my alter ego is Subb..????

subbsonic said:
In 1977 we had to do our A2 as a correspondence course, doing work-related projects which your sect WO2 signed off, then sent off to Depot for validation.
Me too. I was in BAOR at the time, and my creepy WO2 (there's a clue there) wouldn't assess my "security" papers because he was a died in the wool Op Inter.

subbsonic said:
This is when talk started about “deeming” people to have passed their A1 by having done a Reptile course instead.
It was so; and both the separate Op Int and Security SQs were deemed sufficient for A1 qualification but met the omnipotent and immoveable object that ws JSJET and had to be recombined.

subbsonic said:
If nothing else, use the course as an opportunity to explain to the future SNCOs where the Army and the Corps are going next. Let them network with each other and swap the rich lessons they have each learned. Distance learning can be programmed to mechanistically get students to meet the EOs and TOs, they have their place, in support. The Microsoft dot Net learning environment, will not teach them the power of their personal network, it will not inspire them to hold with their objective analysis, It may not teach them to, politely but firmly challenge, when faced with preconceived and subjective analysis from their testosterone fuelled E2 superiors or worse: THEM.
I wholeheartedly agree!

subbsonic said:
My first 16 years were in OPINTEL related roles, I had to draw deep on that experience to survive the next 12 in Protective Security.
Pah! Part timer Subb, I can claim my first 20 years were Op Int and I'm now in my 13th year of Security, it might even end up as a balanced career!

Drop me a PM, we must have been compatriots at some stage in our illustrious Corps careers, I wonder where?
 
#19
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
well, i don't believe i am particularly "old and bold" compared to some of the contributors on here... but i did my A1 in early 96.

in those days, the course consisted of both Int & Sy (CI) phases, as well as a week of IT Sy, trashing NAAFI bars whilst running around nekkid and cutting off the heads of plywood cows and placing them in the beds of fellow course members. Pre course reading material consisted of knowing the script to the football hooligan film ID. I think everyone in the corps should be au fait with both core disciplines, and am occasionally bemused by the apparent dichotomy between espoused positions: "broad career profile, enhanced employability" vs "HUMINT is everything", early specialisation, distancing from the mainstream etc.
Isn't that more close to the mark CR? :wink:
 

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