Operational de-compression Canadian Style

#1
I have just seen an article in a Cyprus magazine about the decompression that the Canadians lay on for their troops coming out of Afghanistan. I don't have a link but to summarise:

2,000 Canadian troops are passing through Cyprus for decompression. They stay in a quality hotel in Pahos for 5 days. They are administered for a day, they get assessed and given counselling for 2 days, a report is sent to their medical authorities if appropriate. The rest of the time is free time or on organised activities. Not surprisingly, the decompression is welcomed by both the troops and the chain of command. Troops are leaving happier, better adjusted and with many potential problems identified early.

Compare this to the UK system. The last I heard, decompression is less than 24 hours, being bounced from Akrotiri to transit accommodation, to token activities, quick BBQ and back to airport.

Covenant - what covenant?
 
#2
SSDD

Same Shit Different Day.

It was ever thus.
 
#3
Herrumph said:
I have just seen an article in a Cyprus magazine about the decompression that the Canadians lay on for their troops coming out of Afghanistan. I don't have a link but to summarise:

2,000 Canadian troops are passing through Cyprus for decompression. They stay in a quality hotel in Pahos for 5 days. They are administered for a day, they get assessed and given counselling for 2 days, a report is sent to their medical authorities if appropriate. The rest of the time is free time or on organised activities. Not surprisingly, the decompression is welcomed by both the troops and the chain of command. Troops are leaving happier, better adjusted and with many potential problems identified early.

Compare this to the UK system. The last I heard, decompression is less than 24 hours, being bounced from Akrotiri to transit accommodation, to token activities, quick BBQ and back to airport.

Covenant - what covenant?
Why waste money on the troops when it can be better utilised on people who do nothing usefull for the UK?

EDIT: Yes, I am bitter and twisted.
 
#4
The Canadians have always looked after their blokes. I knew of a Major on attachment to a Cannuck outfit whose Cpl Dvr was paid more than him. Funnily enough during WW1 our boys called the Canadians "Fcuking Five Bobbers" because they got paid 3 times as much as the average Tommy. Good lads though!
 

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#5
Some rather enlightened British commanders in the field have been getting the lads together at regular intervals to sit down and go through recent events amongst their fighting peers. This is also having a positive effect whilst in the thick of it. It was done at CIMIC House by the PWRR Commander, and I think other units are copying the idea.
 
#6
After TELIC1 and before we returnd home, we got all our guys in C Sqn who had fought with 3 Cdo Bde together for a huge battlefield tour. We visited all the locations where contact took place and chatted the whole thing through as a large group of laughing friendly comrades in arms. It worked a treat and i'm pretty sure, although not party to facts, that we have no serious cases of PTSD in C Sqn.
 
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#8
Taff-Cav said:
The Canadians have always looked after their blokes. I knew of a Major on attachment to a Cannuck outfit whose Cpl Dvr was paid more than him. Funnily enough during WW1 our boys called the Canadians "Fcuking Five Bobbers" because they got paid 3 times as much as the average Tommy. Good lads though!
Canada has a very small army though and when I was with them they where badly equiped. The Cannucks on Golesh mountain where wearing olive green uniforms and envious of our camouflage kit. OTOH, they was fed very well and got to eat lobster while we had sausage butties. Swings and roundabouts?

Anyway, the Canadians did have good lads in their army. The Hungarians where also good lads with an atitude to life that was reminiscent of the British army circa 1970's.
 
#9
My Wife's cousin is a reservist due to do an op tour. After he completes it he gets two flight tickets to anywhere in the world paid for him.
 
#10
This government are tight with the money and think they can get away with it. They can to a point but wait until the first mass murder by some poor sod with PTSD because he wasn't treated, then you can dig this up and clearly blame the lack of any serous care for our troops squarely where it lies, the government..
 

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#11
After GW1 (The popular war in the Gulf) we got two for one holidays all you had to do was to get the unit to stamp your forms to say you had been away
We also IIRC got tickets from the Gym for the FA cup semi - final Arsenal v Spurs
Not much but it's a start
 
#12
_If_ we are doing a bad job of decompression (and I have no idea whether we are or not) then I would be quicker to point the finger at the Army's chain of command than the government.

Running this sort of thing is a leadership responsibility and the responsibility of CoC. Yes there are budget issues across the Army but failure to insist that budget/time is spent where needed is a failer of leadership.
 
#13
as someone once remarked.....Sympathy lies twixt shit and syphillis in the dictionary.....and that alas is and has been for the last 30+ years the attitude the Government to its armed forces. It was one of the contributary reasons I left HM. Eventually and inevitably at some point in time you do have to look after numero uno.
 
#14
Ord_Sgt said:
This government are tight with the money and think they can get away with it. They can to a point but wait until the first mass murder by some poor sod with PTSD because he wasn't treated, then you can dig this up and clearly blame the lack of any serous care for our troops squarely where it lies, the government..
But that won't happen, it will just be put down as the actions of "one deranged individual", and the spin doctors will leap int place with their (probabaly already prepared) cover plan.
 
#15
xinflurker said:
_If_ we are doing a bad job of decompression (and I have no idea whether we are or not) then I would be quicker to point the finger at the Army's chain of command than the government.

Running this sort of thing is a leadership responsibility and the responsibility of CoC. Yes there are budget issues across the Army but failure to insist that budget/time is spent where needed is a failer of leadership.
Having been involved in this issue a little while ago, I think we are now getting the hang of it, have relearned what we had forgotten. I do agree, however, that this is a CoC issue and not something (for a change) to land at Broon's door.
 
#16
Perturbed said:
Canada has a very small army though and when I was with them they where badly equiped.
How does this make them differ from the badly equipped little army that we have?
 
#17
Ord_Sgt said:
This government are tight with the money and think they can get away with it. They can to a point but wait until the first mass murder by some poor sod with PTSD because he wasn't treated, then you can dig this up and clearly blame the lack of any serous care for our troops squarely where it lies, the government..
Unfortunately they Can get away with and do so on a regular basis. As much as we stomp and shout the majority of this country are not willing to stump up more cash for the Armed Forces. Ask the average Joe in the street £10bn more for defence or the NHS ? or Policing ? As much as it pains me to say it we are not a priority for the people of this country.

Of course they say they do support us in interviews, its terrible that they are being killed in our name. Accommodation ? its shocking that they live in those conditions on their return to barracks !. Are you willing to pay an extra penny or two in tax to better fund the Armed Forces ? Well its their choice, they signed up will more than often be their reply.

Fucks me right off.
 
#18
sc_obvious wrote:

As much as we stomp and shout the majority of this country are not willing to stump up more cash for the Armed Forces
The majority are always neutral or semi-neutral. The battle is fought between commited minorities to get the support of the majority. One minority currently has most of the high ground in politics, education and the media. The (potentially) committed minority on the other side currently don't have anything to rally round but they could win this particular battle if they did.

imo
 
#19
The British had decompression for both Iraq trips I did. It involved getting back to Germany, getting your kit from the gym and going back to work for a week (or two) before departing on POTL.
Would you rather spend a week in a hotel minus wife and kids (if issued) or a week back at home with them?
Sure, it's from a pads PoV but even as a singly back from NI, I would have preffered being at home with my then girlfriend than sat in a hotel with a bunch of drunken squaddies.
 
#20
onWe ( Canada) have a conservative government now and we are rearming with loads of new gear.New c117 heavy lift transport aircraft,new hercs,lastest leo tanks etc.We are gonna make alot more Taliban environmentally correct.
 

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