Operational Courses Requirements

Discussion in 'Professionally Qualified, RAMC and QARANC' started by haggishacker, Nov 25, 2005.

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  1. OK so you get warned off for Ops and you look at all the personnel you need to take (FET) and on the list is a number os specialist training courses required. So you identify who needs trained and then find out that there are no course being run in time for the deployment.

    OK so the real question is do the people who write the Statement of Training Requirement take into account the needs of the on-going Operations as it would appear that there is a huge mismatch between the timing of courses and Operational deployments.

    Lets look at two in particular:

    MIMMS - Required for Operations but the courses are normally so oversubscribed with people who do not and will never need the course that the genuine cases have to beg for places, surely this is the wrong way round, LAND know how many people need this training and could dictate when this training should take place (i.e. in time for the Op tour) and reserve the number of places required for Ops.

    BARTS - I know this is changing but it has not yet. If they continue to put the requirement for BARTS trained medics on the FET then they should ensure that that training is pre-booked, it is not like we do not know when the Operations change. Just try getting a straight answer out of the Chain of Command about how long the qualification lasts and try and bid for courses that get filled by more personnel who are not deploying on Ops.

    Maybe these are the sort of reasons I am leaving the service, come on if you are involved in this process think the task through FFS.

    Rant over! :evil:
     
  2. Fair argument that if it is laid down as a requirement the provision should be put in place. But to think you are leaving the Army due to not being able to attend a 2 day weekend course or a 5 day course seems the call of a weak person. You cant expect everything. work through it. Have you applied for every BARTs course over the last 3 years to improve your chances of staying current or atleast getting on the course. If not you havent do everything possible to get it, so stop moaning. I sent a load of blokes on it before Op Telic give them a weeks in house package before attending with an MO and most failed it including the nurses. Work through it. Get your unit MO's to run some advanced trg to compensate. use your imagination. Front up dont run
     
  3. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    I think HS is commenting on having to train 20 blokes up prior to deployment and not being being able to get a priority booking due to Nurses, ODP's and EH types, who will never see a deployment going on some bluff course down by the sea for a few days and get on the pi$$ in Emmas for a night.

    I dont think HS needs to stay current BARTs, the fact he has been in 25 years and probably last touched a casulaty 10 years ago, if not longer.

    "I sent a load of blokes on it before Op Telic give them a weeks in house package before attending with an MO and most failed it including the nurses. Work through it. Get your unit MO's to run some advanced trg to compensate. use your imagination. Front up dont run "

    Advice indeed.
     
  4. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    I can believe the confusion over the course validity and qualification period.

    Its was when we ran the infamous Team Medic Course for unit in Tidworth prior to NI tours or Balkans, that units used them to cover ITD requiements for units where Medics were concerned. Med Land Branch had a wobbler saying we were running illegal courses etc- unitl we produced the joining insts which clearly stated the course was only a basic course to develop soldiers into their RMA 3 or whatever and in no way did the course have a course number or qualification status.

    The Inf and RAC units just used it to stop gap posts but were caught out.