Doh! Khe San it was.Were their U.S.M.C. units at Dien Bien Phu?
Or did you mean Khe Sahn?
Doh! Khe San it was.Were their U.S.M.C. units at Dien Bien Phu?
Or did you mean Khe Sahn?
....apart from the river valleys between them...u
That neatly describes most of Italy, as I understand it.
Without valleys, there can be no mountains, , Grasshopper.....apart from the river valleys between them...
Without valleys, there can be no mountains, , Grasshopper.
And O By The Way - name for me, if you'd be so kind, a single infantry division (of any nation) with a title along the lines of [X] River Valley Infantry Division.Foolish youth
I thank yow.OK, not . . . . a Division
. . . . nor even Army.
Well the Welsh division are mostly from the valleys....Without valleys, there can be no mountains, , Grasshopper.
And O By The Way - name for me, if you'd be so kind, a single infantry division (of any nation) with a title along the lines of [X] River Valley Infantry Division.Foolish youth
Easy.Without valleys, there can be no mountains, , Grasshopper.
And O By The Way - name for me, if you'd be so kind, a single infantry division (of any nation) with a title along the lines of [X] River Valley Infantry Division.Foolish youth
Also the Army of Observation of the Elbe in 1813. And a brigade-sized group; the Vistula Legion and a regiment; the Tirailleurs du Po.Easy.
52nd LOWLAND Division.....
Plenty of higher formation
British Army of the RHINE x 2
US Army of the POTOMAC and the CUMBERLAND
German Army Groups Don, Upper Rhine and Vistula
Napoleon's Grande Armee was formed by renaming the L'Armée des côtes de l'Océan (Army of the Ocean Coasts) The French also had the armies of the Rhin, Var, Sambre et Meuse, Danube and Moselle
Jubal Early's Confederate Army of the ValleyWithout valleys, there can be no mountains, , Grasshopper.
And O By The Way - name for me, if you'd be so kind, a single infantry division (of any nation) with a title along the lines of [X] River Valley Infantry Division.Foolish youth
None of which titles defined a particular tactical expertise, but rather the general area of their deployment as defined by natural terrain features, except (in the case of the Jocks) where it relates to the recruitment region with which they were associated.Easy.
52nd LOWLAND Division.....
Plenty of higher formations
British Army of the Rhine x 2
US Union Armies of the Potomac, Shenandoah, Mississippi, James , Cumberland and Tennessee.
German Army Groups Don, Upper Rhine and Vistula
Napoleon's Grande Armee was formed by renaming the L'Armée des côtes de l'Océan (Army of the Ocean Coasts) The French also had the armies of the Rhin, Var, Sambre et Meuse, Danube and Moselle
lets get this out of the way W-A-HNone of which titles defined a particular tactical expertise, but rather the general area of their deployment as defined by natural terrain features, except (in the case of the Jocks) where it relates to the recruitment region with which they were associated.
Its subordinate 87th Mountain Infantry regiment was at Kiska with FSSF before returning back to 10th MTNUS 10th Mountain fought in Italy.
No real need to hump it when you could drive one mounted to the dozens of M274 mules to a firing point at Khe SanhISTR that the USMC humped a recoiless gun(?) from one side ofDien Bien PhuKhe San to another to carry out a similar transaction.
Edited for dullardry.
What specialist training did 43 Wessex Division do? They did carry out a very successful crossing at Vernon, but IRRC this was what gave them the reputation? The key expertise in this operation was with the REs and staff who were not disproportionately subject to attrition on Hill 112. The particularly clever feature of Op Neptune at Vernon operation was to plan the operation 30 miles away without a lot of the formal rigmarole beloved of British practice.Less well-known is 43 (Wessex) Div, who were river-crossing specialists. However, a lot of that specialist knowledge and training (which would have come in bloody useful at Vernon and in M-G) died on Hill 112.
The reference comes from Horrocks:What specialist training did 43 Wessex Division do? They did carry out a very successful crossing at Vernon, but IRRC this was what gave them the reputation? The key expertise in this operation was with the REs and staff who were not disproportionately subject to attrition on Hill 112. The particularly clever feature of Op Neptune at Vernon operation was to plan the operation 30 miles away without a lot of the formal rigmarole beloved of British practice.