OP.NAMES Whay are they pantz?

Mr Happy

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#1
Andyroo said:
If it is true they can feck off! It just shows what a short memory they have. If it hadn't been for Desert Storm they may well have been citizens of an Iraqi state of Saud now & under Uncle Sadams boot.
Actually you mean Desert Shield, or as we might prefer it here Granby. And to help out your memory, if Saddam had wanted Saudi Land he could have had it in August 1990 when he walked into Kuwait.
 
#2
Mr Happy said:
Andyroo said:
If it is true they can feck off! It just shows what a short memory they have. If it hadn't been for Desert Storm they may well have been citizens of an Iraqi state of Saud now & under Uncle Sadams boot.
Actually you mean Desert Shield, or as we might prefer it here Granby. And to help out your memory, if Saddam had wanted Saudi Land he could have had it in August 1990 when he walked into Kuwait.
I meant exactly what I said. Desert Shield was the septic name for the build up. Once the air war kicked off it became Desert Storm.

Had he entered Saudi he would have said goodbye to his presidency even sooner. Do you really think that the most powerful nation in the world would have let the scrote have control of all the middle east oil wells? The septics would have had a field day.

I would have used the term 'Op Granby' but it had slipped my memory. Why do the MOD always insist on such bone names for operations?
 
#3
Andyroo said:
Had he entered Saudi he would have said goodbye to his presidency even sooner. Do you really think that the most powerful nation in the world would have let the scrote have control of all the middle east oil wells? The septics would have had a field day.

I would have used the term 'Op Granby' but it had slipped my memory. Why do the MOD always insist on such bone names for operations?
Security for one, it gives no indication about the op.

And if Sadam had taken Saudi where would they (the US)invade from?
 
#4
Andyroo said:
Why do the MOD always insist on such bone names for operations?
Because unlike the Septics, we prefer not to let our enemies know what each and every operation is about, should they manage to get their hands on a list of possible operations. The name of our operations bears no relation to the matter in hand. It also stops people from thinking of really stupid and cheesy names like "Operation Enduring Freedom" "Operation Kiss My Ass" and other such tripe.
 
#5
Security? Hmmm. Every man and his dog knew what Op Banner was. It was published in the papers enough times and was even announced on the BBC news recently. Just in case some of you aren't aware, I am ex reg. I still think we could come up with better names than we do without breaching opsec.
 
#6
The naming of operations comes from a convention developed by Winston Churchill. I forget the exact phreaseology, but the intent was that operations should not be given a name that would look rather stupid if it failed (eg newspaper headlines 'OP UTTER WALK IN THE PARK bogged down in seventeeth month of muddy, bloody stalemate') or that someone would be embarrassed dying for (eg "my one and only son Timmy lost his precious life from horrific burn injuries sufferd during the heavy fighting of OP RATHER NICE SIDE SALAD") or, as stated above, would compromise OPSEC (eg 'here are the top secret plans for OP WE INVADE YOUR COUNTRY ON TUESDAY'). All in all, I think the big man was right.
 

chrisg46

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#7
Andyroo said:
Security? Hmmm. Every man and his dog knew what Op Banner was. It was published in the papers enough times and was even announced on the BBC news recently. Just in case some of you aren't aware, I am ex reg. I still think we could come up with better names than we do without breaching opsec.
Does it really make a difference, it is only a name after all. You know what would happen, we would get a whole department of civil servants who would have their job descriptions of thinking names up. Mind you how about Supreme Head of Intelligent Titles...?
 
#8
chrisg46 said:
You know what would happen, we would get a whole department of civil servants who would have their job descriptions of thinking names up. Mind you how about Supreme Head of Intelligent Titles...?
I was going to get a team of scaleys together - the Network Engineering Response Detachment.
 
#9
As I understand it there is actually a list of names that you should draw upon to name an Op. All randomly generated so as not to be too obvious, though some were pretty accurate nonetheless. Op Gypsy was the reinforcement of NI with extra Bns into the likes of Dungannon. As it was, until the ERB was established there was a lot of shifting of locations. And it had a G as it was not that long after Granby.

I recall there was a change to exercise names a while back (oh yeah - Ops get a single name e.g. Granby, and exercises get 2 e.g. Ex Harp String) It was decided that more subtle names should be chosen for pretty much the same reason as Churchill came out with - so the final Platoon Commanders exercise was changed from Ex Grim Reaper - "Ma'am, your son was killed on etc..."
 
#10
Wasn't there also a plan to call Team Medics something like Combat Unit Nursing Technicians?
 
#11
Dread said:
Andyroo said:
Why do the MOD always insist on such bone names for operations?
Because unlike the Septics, we prefer not to let our enemies know what each and every operation is about, should they manage to get their hands on a list of possible operations. The name of our operations bears no relation to the matter in hand. It also stops people from thinking of really stupid and cheesy names like "Operation Enduring Freedom" "Operation Kiss My Ass" and other such tripe.
the original codename of op enduring freedom was "ultimate justice". possibly the worst name that the septics could have come up with seeing as the koran states that only allah can dispense ultimate justice. having shite codenames also ensures we dont make cultural or religious faux pas such as this.
 
#12
Going back to Churchill, I believe there's a story about his having to personally approve the name of an operation to conduct a raid on the island of Phuket, called Op ROGER.
 
#13
batus_survivor said:
Wasn't there also a plan to call Team Medics something like Combat Unit Nursing Technicians?
No, but I seem to recall a really poor joke about it.
 
#14
Soldier_5 said:
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the original codename of op enduring freedom was "ultimate justice". possibly the worst name that the septics could have come up with seeing as the koran states that only allah can dispense ultimate justice. having shite codenames also ensures we dont make cultural or religious faux pas such as this.
Weren't the actions in Panama called 'Operation Just Cause?'
 
#16
Of course, if they had any sense they'd have called it the Global War Against Religious extremists.

I always thought it was amusing in a racist sort of way that Operation Black Buck was the longest anyone had ever seen..
 
#17
Andyroo said:
Security? Hmmm. Every man and his dog knew what Op Banner was. It was published in the papers enough times and was even announced on the BBC news recently. Just in case some of you aren't aware, I am ex reg. I still think we could come up with better names than we do without breaching opsec.
Yup, everybody knows what Op BANNER is. It became public knowledge in around the same perid of time that TELIC did. Ditto FINGAL, HERRICK, RESOLUTE, CORPORATE, PARAKEET (thats going to make somebody have a look at Google) or ABROGADO (Ditto!) to name but a few. But, in all cases, the names were meaningless until the operations were launched. Sort of proves the point really, doesn't it?
 
#18
The name isn't going to make the operation/exercise any better or worse, unless it was to ruin Opsec or be something embarrasing.
Though I do believe those chosing the names should employ arrsers to check the name for any alterations that could make it crude, for example Exercise Purple star became Ex Purple Helmet, Ex Brown Star, ex Purple Starfish etc

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet."

--From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)
 
#20
Andyroo said:
, I am ex reg. I still think we could come up with better names than we do without breaching opsec.
so for the likes of Bosnia it could be "Op Two Can Rule My Arrse"
 

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