OP ALLOWANCE - KUWAIT

#1
Thought some may be interested to know that Op Allowance is now availiable to some personnel in support of Iraq Op's whilst serving in Kuwait. Comes into effect 011107, Letter Reference doing the rounds:

Reference: SP 05.03.01.07

Date: 2 November 2007

Regards

LJS
 

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#2
LongJohnSilver said:
Thought some may be interested to know that Op Allowance is now availiable to some personnel in support of Iraq Op's whilst serving in Kuwait. Comes into effect 011107, Letter Reference doing the rounds:

Reference: SP 05.03.01.07

Date: 2 November 2007

Regards

LJS
Divide and conquer. Why only some.
 
#3
I gather that it's those who had been warned to go to Iraq but for whom the plan has done gone changed (ie they had a realistic expectation of getting it already).
 

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#4
That is classic. So now they will have some getting the dosh sitting next to those not getting the dosh. Great morale booster.
 
#5
Careful there; there's only one answer to that little conundrum and nobody, except the treasury, will like it.
 
#6
All of this makes no sense at all. On passing through Kuwait a few months ago I happened upon a chap who had been detached from a unit in Iraq to go back and teach Blue on Blue avoidance to the yanks in Kuwaite. A temporary detachment during an Iraq tour. He was losing Op pay while he was in Kuwaite!

Its the same op and they are still living in the desert, albeit getting shot at a bit less. Which tight fisted idiot is responsible for these stupid rules.

The spams are far more pragmatic. All troops on Operation Iraqi Freedom get the full allowances, regardless of where they are in relation to the Iraq/Kuwaite border.
 

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#7
Another classic own goal between the penny pinching politicians who you would expect it from and those in command who allow it to happen. Perhaps another reason to move troops back across the border to Kuwait.
 
#9
Its my understanding that you will get the daily rate for the Op allowance during the RSOI package in Kuwait. If you are stationed there on duty/tour, you will not. This is what we have been briefed any how on up coming deployment.

Happy
 
#10
happyhammer said:
Its my understanding that you will get the daily rate for the Op allowance during the RSOI package in Kuwait. If you are stationed there on duty/tour, you will not. This is what we have been briefed any how on up coming deployment.

Happy
And to be fair, that sounds fair.
 
#11
The definitive answer is:

From 01 Nov 07 if you are stationed in Camp Beuhring, the Kuwait Support Facility then you are entitled to the Operational Allowance. This will be reviewed again on 01 May 08. This is the only location outside Iraq and Afghanistan that is eligible

Simple as that. (For now :D )

Edited for muppetness :oops:
 
#12
Its all B@llocks. Anyone on an OP tour (easily identified by the fact that it will have the word Operation in front of its name) should qualify for the op bonus. Anyone who just happens to be posted to Kuwaite (there are a few) is already getting incredible levels of LOA and other allowances.
 

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#13
dingerr said:
happyhammer said:
Its my understanding that you will get the daily rate for the Op allowance during the RSOI package in Kuwait. If you are stationed there on duty/tour, you will not. This is what we have been briefed any how on up coming deployment.

Happy
And to be fair, that sounds fair.
Not sure I would see it as fair but as OldSnowy has pointed out, Swiss Des must have changed the policy and hopefully someone at the top will point it out.

OldSnowy said:
Good news for lots of Crabs, but probably not many in the Army (yet, anyway). This from the Ian Dale Blog:
http://www.iaindale.blogspot.com/

The Defence Secretary is in a bit of trouble this afternoon. Yesterday he either lied to the House of Commons, or he proved that he hadn't got a clue what the policy of his own department is towards British troops stationed in Kuwait. This is a little elongated, but bear with me. It's worth it when you get to the end.

Hansard - 16 October cols 719-720

Dr Liam Fox: I am sure that I do not need to remind either the Secretary of State or the Minister for the Armed Forces that the Kuwait border is only 30 miles from the Basra air base. As a result of that small difference, service members will lose out on hundreds of pounds a month, although their American counterparts receive the same bonus regardless of whether they are in Iraq, Kuwait or Qatar. If the Secretary of State made it clear that those allowances will apply to all those in the region, and not just those in Iraq, that would be a major step forward.
Des Browne: That is a classic example of the sort of thing that I was talking about. Based on absolutely no research, not even the courtesy of asking the MOD whether what he has described is the reality, the hon. Gentleman has asserted his case at the Dispatch Box in the House of Commons. But it is not true.
Dr. Fox: Good.
Des Browne: The hon. Gentleman says, “Good.” Perhaps he will now explain the basis on which he made the assertion in the first place. Is there a factual basis for it, or did he make it up for
political advantage?
Dr. Fox: I am delighted that those operational bonuses will apply, because those issues
have been raised with us by members of the armed forces so that they can get clarification from the Government. If it is clear that we will get such clarification, I will be delighted—and so will they be.
Des Browne: The hon. Gentleman now says to the House that he was asked to inquire. Why did he choose to inquire by asserting an untruth at the Dispatch Box, rather than asking me or a
Minister?
Dr. Fox: Excuse me, but I thought that the purpose of the House of Commons was for us to be able to question Ministers directly. It is an entirely appropriate place to raise such issues. Now that we have clarification on those, perhaps the Secretary of State will clarify other issues— [Interruption.]

We'll ignore Browne's blatant rudeness and his incomprehension of the role of asking questions of Ministers. Instead, let's look at the evidence to see who's right. In a written answer to Mark Harper on 12 December 2006, the then Defence Minister Derek Twigg said: "The specified qualifying locations for the operational allowance are the geographical boundaries of Iraq, Afghanistan and the Balkans..."

I have made enquiries with the Ministry of Defence and it seems Des Browne's reply has caused a minor storm among civil servants there along the lines of "what the **** did he think he was saying?" They confirm that troops in Kuwait DO NOT qualify for the Operational Allowance, unlike those serving in the US Army.


Well, there you have it - from the Leader himself - Well Done! I cannot but applaud the Big Man's single-handed decision to extend this allowance. And, as it's an Operational Allowance, it's tax free, and comes directly from the Treasury, so won't count against the Defence Budget! Double win!!!
 
#14
Dog-faced-soldier said:
Its all B@llocks. Anyone on an OP tour (easily identified by the fact that it will have the word Operation in front of its name) should qualify for the op bonus. Anyone who just happens to be posted to Kuwaite (there are a few) is already getting incredible levels of LOA and other allowances.
Hahahahahaahahahahahahaahhaaha.

You're really thick aren't you!
 
#15
Dog-faced-soldier said:
Its all B@llocks. Anyone on an OP tour (easily identified by the fact that it will have the word Operation in front of its name) should qualify for the op bonus. Anyone who just happens to be posted to Kuwaite (there are a few) is already getting incredible levels of LOA and other allowances.
Op FRESCO?
 
#16
barbs said:
Dog-faced-soldier said:
Its all B@llocks. Anyone on an OP tour (easily identified by the fact that it will have the word Operation in front of its name) should qualify for the op bonus. Anyone who just happens to be posted to Kuwaite (there are a few) is already getting incredible levels of LOA and other allowances.
Op FRESCO?
Before the goal posts changed!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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