Oor Presidential Second Generation Walt

#1
[FONT=&quot]The Supreme Court just declared unconstitutional the Stolen Valor Act, a law that made it a crime for a person to falsely claim, orally or in writing to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the Armed Forces of the United States.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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But, I guess it's always been OK to lie about about your father having served in a war, like The Great One does in this speech.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Here is an 18 second video CNN News clip:

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Obama says his father served in World War II - YouTube[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (His father) was born 4/4/36 and died: 11/24/82 at the age of 46. He was 5 years old when WW II started, and 9 1/2 yrs old when it ended.

Lolo Soetoro (His step father) was born 1/2/35 and died 3/2/87 at the age of 52.

He was 6 years old when WW II started, and 10 years old when it ended.

I wonder why no reporters checked His statements or called Him on it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 
#2
Stanley Armour Durham would be his father in this case?
 
#3
JJJ: I'd rather like to hear more about the reasoning for suspending(?) the Stolen Valor Act, and the consequences of it, and less about Obama, who, within that weird thing called American Politics, generally appears to do a better job of not screwing both you and the rest of us compared the shaved chimp you previously "elected".
 
#4
JJJ: I'd rather like to hear more about the reasoning for suspending(?) the Stolen Valor Act, and the consequences of it, and less about Obama, who, within that weird thing called American Politics, generally appears to do a better job of not screwing both you and the rest of us compared the shaved chimp you previously "elected".
Based on what exactly? What exactly are your compare and contrast criteria?
 
#5
I'd not get too excited with your "vetting" there, this is rather different from LBJ very dubiously claiming to have flown in combat or a former Capt. Reagan in confused moments calling John Glenn a "cellolid hero" and misremembering having liberated the concentration camps. We also had Hills Clinton "misspeaking" about having flown into the Balkans under fire, like some pissed up teenager. Walting behavior amongst US statespersons is rather common.

Snopes reckons Barry probably meant grandfather, Stanley Armour Durham, who at one point in his colorful childhood functioned as his father. He enlisted after Pearl Harbor and served in the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company, Aviation and was deployed to France six weeks after D-Day. Sounds an honorable enough record to me.

It's a bit of an odd slip for a law prof who has written so much about his family background, but then we all know that was all ghosted by Bill Ayers or Osama Bin Laden and the Stealth Muslim wealth spreader is a low IQ, functionally illiterate Mau Mau member.

I can't really get the outrage bus started, it's probably just what a staffer scripted.

Incidentally I'd not really call Ronnie a Walt, he did fly a desk in the USAAF movie unit, but he does seem to have been traumatized by footage of Belsen he processed as an intelligence officer. The poor man was in approaching his dotage proper and even younger men garble facts.
 
#6
Perhaps he meant his father's Massa was in the war :wink:
 
#7
JJJ: I'd rather like to hear more about the reasoning for suspending(?) the Stolen Valor Act, and the consequences of it, and less about Obama, who, within that weird thing called American Politics, generally appears to do a better job of not screwing both you and the rest of us compared the shaved chimp you previously "elected".
The SVA decision was already discussed in another thread. This is all about politics unfortunately which is why I posted it in the US forum.
 
#8
Dunham enlisted as a private in the U.S. Army on January 18, 1942, at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, and served in the European Theatre of World War II with the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company, Aviation. During D-Day, this unit helped to support the 9th Air Force. Stanley and his brother Ralph were deployed to France six weeks after D-Day.[SUP][10][/SUP] Before the Invasion of Normandy, the Dunham's once met accidentally as Stanley went in search of rations at Hotel Russell in London, where his sibling Ralph happened to be staying.[SUP][10][/SUP] Madelyn gave birth to a daughter they named Stanley Ann, who was later known as Ann, at St. Francis Hospital in Wichita on November 29, 1942. During the war, Madelyn Dunham worked on a Boeing B-29 assembly line in Wichita.
 
#9
I'd not get too excited with your "vetting" there, this is rather different from LBJ very dubiously claiming to have flown in combat or a former Capt. Reagan in confused moments calling John Glenn a "cellolid hero" and misremembering having liberated the concentration camps. We also had Hills Clinton "misspeaking" about having flown into the Balkans under fire, like some pissed up teenager. Walting behavior amongst US statespersons is rather common.

Snopes reckons Barry probably meant grandfather, Stanley Armour Durham, who at one point in his colorful childhood functioned as his father. He enlisted after Pearl Harbor and served in the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company, Aviation and was deployed to France six weeks after D-Day. Sounds an honorable enough record to me.

It's a bit of an odd slip for a law prof who has written so much about his family background, but then we all know that was all ghosted by Bill Ayers or Osama Bin Laden and the Stealth Muslim wealth spreader is a low IQ, functionally illiterate Mau Mau member.

I can't really get the outrage bus started, it's probably just what a staffer scripted.

Incidentally I'd not really call Ronnie a Walt, he did fly a desk in the USAAF movie unit, but he does seem to have been traumatized by footage of Belsen he processed as an intelligence officer. The poor man was in approaching his dotage proper and even younger men garble facts.
My real point is not as to His lineage, murky and irrelevant as it is.

It is rather that our "press" has completely forfeited its privileged role under our Constitution as is crystal clear if one does even a modicum of research as to the veritable gauntlet of investigative (and at times wholly false and partisan as in the case of the forged documents of alleged misconduct of the evil GWB while in the Air National Guard and the total lack of investigation into the facially false claims of Kerry as to his Vietnam "service" that we only brought to light by veteran's organizations that were themselves vilified unjustly by the very same "press" that failed in its journalistic duty).
 
#10
This video is four ******* years old. Even the Snopes response is 2 years old:

snopes.com: Fortunate Grandson

Is this what you've had had to resort to now that you've got an empty suit with the charm of a white and crumbly dog's egg running against him?
 
#11
My real point is not as to His lineage, murky and irrelevant as it is.

It is rather that our "press" has completely forfeited its privileged role under our Constitution as is crystal clear if one does even a modicum of research as to the veritable gauntlet of investigative (and at times wholly false and partisan as in the case of the forged documents of alleged misconduct of the evil GWB while in the Air National Guard and the total lack of investigation into the facially false claims of Kerry as to his Vietnam "service" that we only brought to light by veteran's organizations that were themselves vilified unjustly by the very same "press" that failed in its journalistic duty).
I was going to post a lengthier reply, but instead you're going to get the one this post deserves:







Horseshit.
 
#12
The press in America is on par with the press in N Korea. They follow the goverment line. Where was the press with WMD and the financiall crash?
 
#14
JJJ: I'd rather like to hear more about the reasoning for suspending(?) the Stolen Valor Act, and the consequences of it, and less about Obama, who, within that weird thing called American Politics, generally appears to do a better job of not screwing both you and the rest of us compared the shaved chimp you previously "elected".
Whilst I tend towards the line that politicos will embroider the truth to help their cause, and agree with you that politics, US or otherwise, are a weird thing. I have a pertinent question for you; you are free and easy with insulting politicos, which is a good thing, would you refer to the current incumbent of the White House as a,

'Shaved chimp'?

If you did how long before the race police, and the MODs, deleted the thread and had strong words with you?
 
#15
'Shaved chimp'?

If you did how long before the race police, and the MODs, deleted the thread and had strong words with you?
Stand down, it was a white chimp he referred to...
 
#17
Thanks for that, for a second I was filled with outrage.
I try not to use such epithets as i do not wish to demean the office even though i candidly state I have no respect for the Person now holding it.

I posted this now since I just received it from a friend in the context of the recent ruling on the SVA.

The dates of the video and of the partisan Snopes comment are irrelevant to my point about the partisanship of our "press."
 
#18
My real point is not as to His lineage, murky and irrelevant as it is.

It is rather that our "press" has completely forfeited its privileged role under our Constitution as is crystal clear if one does even a modicum of research as to the veritable gauntlet of investigative (and at times wholly false and partisan as in the case of the forged documents of alleged misconduct of the evil GWB while in the Air National Guard and the total lack of investigation into the facially false claims of Kerry as to his Vietnam "service" that we only brought to light by veteran's organizations that were themselves vilified unjustly by the very same "press" that failed in its journalistic duty).
Hang on, put yourself in the tasseled loafers of the "liberal press cabal" on this one.

You may not realize this but CNN like most news organizations now has a tiny number of hard pressed journalists and are mostly pumping out press releases, tweeting and frantically adjusting copy for different media, fact checking even in big organizations is very lax and patchy, it is called churnalism.

Liberal bias is real, journalism by its nature attracts the liberal minded who fly by the seat of their pants far too often and swallow spin gullibly but they are even worse at organized political activity than Will Rogers famously thought he Democratic party was. Just look back at the NYT startlingly inept coverage in the run up to the Iraq war or the Arab Spring in Cairo, these are people running with their emotions after a compelling narrative to entertain customers. That they still occasionally are servants of the truth is incidental.

If journalism is of sinking quality what's worse is a lot of highly partisan folks on the blogosphere making shockingly bad agitprop out of crazed tea leave read leaving inferences based on second hand news stories, increasingly with Super PAC funding. I've noticed Mormon scare stories bubbling up from liberal sources for instance, it's just as bad as some of the daffy Barry bashing that goes on in Wingnut world.

Now a thought experiment on this story:
0. Vera at CNN does some detailed fact checking on such a minor story
1. Vera spots Barry is young to have a WWII veteran father
2. A quick check on his parentage reveals pere(s) Obama to indeed be far too young, did he lie?
3. More due diligence on google reveals it was in fact a grandfather that was the veteran
4. Then that Barry has explicitly referred to several times in the past, it was a prominent part of his election campaign
5. So it seems the POTUS has mis-titled a WWII veteran in his family, meh says Vera and moves on
6. But say Vera instead rushes to her political news editor and suggests running this scoop as headline news
7. Who wearily suggests that Romney getting viscously Swiftboated by said POTUS might be tonights headline you bimbo
8. If the kid is brighter than hier nose for news suggests she then punts it to someone like Drudge for a few bucks
9. Because only a partisan hack will be able to spin stolen valor crap out of it by studiously ignoring step 3,4
 
#19
Hang on, put yourself in the tasseled loafers of the "liberal press cabal" on this one.

You may not realize this but CNN like most news organizations now has a tiny number of hard pressed journalists and are mostly pumping out press releases, tweeting and frantically adjusting copy for different media, fact checking even in big organizations is very lax and patchy, it is called churnalism.

Liberal bias is real, journalism by its nature attracts the liberal minded who fly by the seat of their pants far too often and swallow spin gullibly but they are even worse at organized political activity than Will Rogers famously thought he Democratic party was. Just look back at the NYT startlingly inept coverage in the run up to the Iraq war or the Arab Spring in Cairo, these are people running with their emotions after a compelling narrative to entertain customers. That they still occasionally are servants of the truth is incidental.

If journalism is of sinking quality what's worse is a lot of highly partisan folks on the blogosphere making shockingly bad agitprop out of crazed tea leave read leaving inferences based on second hand news stories, increasingly with Super PAC funding. I've noticed Mormon scare stories bubbling up from liberal sources for instance, it's just as bad as some of the daffy Barry bashing that goes on in Wingnut world.

Now a thought experiment on this story:
0. Vera at CNN does some detailed fact checking on such a minor story
1. Vera spots Barry is young to have a WWII veteran father
2. A quick check on his parentage reveals pere(s) Obama to indeed be far too young, did he lie?
3. More due diligence on google reveals it was in fact a grandfather that was the veteran
4. Then that Barry has explicitly referred to several times in the past, it was a prominent part of his election campaign
5. So it seems the POTUS has mis-titled a WWII veteran in his family, meh says Vera and moves on
6. But say Vera instead rushes to her political news editor and suggests running this scoop as headline news
7. Who wearily suggests that Romney getting viscously Swiftboated by said POTUS might be tonights headline you bimbo
8. If the kid is brighter than hier nose for news suggests she then punts it to someone like Drudge for a few bucks
9. Because only a partisan hack will be able to spin stolen valor crap out of it by studiously ignoring step 3,4
CNN also only has a minuscule market share of viewers any more because it has failed so miserably since its better days at journalism instead of propaganda.

You are astute in seeing this so-called "swiftboating" to be a true red herring in that unlike the actual honest assertions of the actual Swift Boat combat veterans (first hand witnesses mind you), the character assassination by innuendo against Romney (for whom I have no strong feelings either way) are thus far without any relevant factual basis. The labeling of the latter to cloak it in the truth of the former is but another transparent effort by our "press" to carry the water for Him.
 
#20
JJH, sincere question from someone who doesn't know much of the world outside of Europe, except what I read on the web- what are you so worried about? The possible (ongoing?) decline of the US? The financial and moral decline of the American middle class and its consequences? The destruction of the ideal of liberty and freedom from arbitrary rule set down in the Constitution? The US turning into a nightmarishly bureaucratic-socialist state? The general malaise of democracy in the West and the disappearance of the notion of political accountability? I can subscribe to much of that myself, but it sometimes seems to me that US politics has locked itself into a slanging match and does not even pretend any more to be about discussion, dialogue and compromises. Who/what would you say is responsible for that, if my impression is correct?
 
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