Oops - Marines lose payment in blunder

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by tich23, Nov 30, 2006.

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  1. How to raise morale - note MoD spokesman

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6158413.stm

    An MoD spokeswoman said: "The Royal Navy and Royal Marine personnel will be paid under joint personnel agency arrangements from this month.

    "Regrettably the internal Royal Navy instruction was wrong and some personnel are disappointed that they will not receive this substantial uplift.

    "However, it is important to note that they are not taking a cut."
     
  2. they are not taking a cut, no just a big kick in the nuts because a pen tech screws up, typical aint it
     
  3. There's far too much dripping about the roll-out of JPA. Simply saving up 6 month's pay prior to it's introduction will alleviate any of the inevitable cock-ups.
     
  4. untallguy

    untallguy Old-Salt Reviewer Book Reviewer

    I know I'm commenting on something stated by MoD Pravda but under what possible circumstances would they be taking a cut?!?!?!?!?!?
     
  5. chrisg46

    chrisg46 LE Book Reviewer

    Just seen THIS on the beeb beeb seeb website, not sure if i read it right? Is the Navy now saying that those in Afghan are not getting the famed bonus after all? If not, why not? and will this have any effect on the rest of the Forces?
     
  6. Not sure what is going on here. The MOD spokeswoman, Rita, 53, Cleaning supervisor, seems to link it to the JPA transfer, but the rest of the story seems to imply that Royal is not entitled to the bonus at all. If scenario (B) is the case, then there are going to be some seriously fcuked off guys in green, and there will be some more leaks to the press from out there. If scenario (A) is correct, then this would be about right for a system which has managed to overpay every RN/RM Officer by £200ish because the system could not calculate tax properly.

    How worrying is that? They have only had umpteen millions of ££££ and months and months of live RAF testing to get this right. And they still cock it up.

    Still, when you take a pay system designed for ASDA and try and bend it to fix the Forces, what do you really expect? Nothing but OBEs/MBEs/Executive Directorships for the people in charge, I suppose.
     
  7. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    That's what it appears to mean. The bit that got me was "it's important to remember that it's not a cut".

    Vikings.
     
  8. To clarify - "The allowances were previously based on the number of days served in two areas called Qualifying Service and Paid Service. The troops were told these would both continue to be used to calculate the new Longer Separation Allowance.

    This was incorrect as Qualifying Service days had never been counted under the new scheme. It was not until a few weeks ago that the Navy's Resources and Planning department noticed its mistake, but not before some marines had estimated their LSA bonuses at as much as 11 times beyond the level to which they were entitled.

    The money is separate from the £2,240 tax free bonus being given to troops on operations announced by the Defence Secretary last month."

    So, because the MOD were unable to explain it all properly, they left Royal (and Jack) to work it out for themselves. How much effort would it have taken to add a paragraph to the bottom of the Pay Statement showing how much would be transferred? Great to be appreciated, isn't it?
     
  9. This article is not refering to the Op Bonus. If it is, then it's horribly innaccurate:

    "Regrettably the internal Royal Navy instruction was wrong"

    Edited to add: Beaten to it by a whole minute :D
     
  10. This would have been a UPO/HR JPA direction. The "Royal Navy" bit is correct because Royal is paid by the Dark Blues (and form part of the Naval Service). Trouble is that when the RAO/UPO was uniform-manned, these instructions were briefed properly to COs and downwards, internal memos were produced to explain it all again, and everyone got the hang of it.

    Now there are more memos than serving personnel, so no bugger reads them anymore. They are also full of sh1te, cover things that no-one gives a rat's arse about, and end up being used as scorecards/shopping lists/notebooks. Flagship/civvies run the UPO/RAO, and don't really care because at the end of the day, they are not going to deploy with the guys, they are going home every night, and get paid extra for duties. Easy life, not their problem mate......
     
  11. Second thread on this subject today: Oops - Marines 'lose' payment in blunder and related to (but not the same as) this one: Looks like you've been had over again!

    It looks distinctly like this is not referring to the Op Tour Bonus, as has previously been mentioned, but to the introduction of LSSA services-wide under JPA. The new LSSA rates rise to 12 or 14 levels, each level representing 300 days qualifying service. The top rate is even larger than the £15/day quoted in the article. If, as it seems, the RN/RM pay staff calculated the LSSA rate based on time served, rather than LSSA qualifying time (or its equivalent), then everyone with 10 years in would have thought they would be on the highest rate.

    Not a cut in pay, true, but a severe blow to their great expectations.
     
  12. I think some teddy's should be thrown out of the pram.
    Lead up to Christmas - RM are out there serving, same as any other serving units, and suddenly "oh, you "thought" you were going to get £3k, but instead your family can keep themselves warm this christmas by thinking about the sacrifice you're making for Mr Blair (and luckily, Great Britain, NOT his country)"

    Cnuts the lot of them. Treat our forces with the respect they deserve; "cheap ammunition", "inadequate equipment", less than inspiring political leadership and now some bootys are £3k down (it's as good as a cut; it's a kick in the nads at worse)
     
  13. This government is happy to pay thousands to prisoners who have not been allowed to take heroin and thousands to MPs in all sorts of exploited allowances.

    Will they pay some Marines risking their necks in Afghanistan? No way!

    This shows the contempt the MoD and government really feel for the Armed Forces. They cannot speak out (although some brave chap wrote a letter to the Telegraph) so are treated like sh!t.

    I suggest that everyone misinformed under JPA submits a redress of complaint. It will achieve nothing practical, but the media will find out. Alternatively, taking MoD to the small claims court will achieve nothing but will generate negative headlines. Media pressure is the only remedial mechanism that works for the Armed Forces.

    I admire the guts of those speaking to the media and writing to the letters pages, waiving the normal anonymity. Although likely to be against the rules, the contempt shown by MoD should be reciprocated.
     
  14. Just out of interest - how much will it cost to deploy all these HR specialists to theatre? Probably not far off the 300k needed to pay the lads.
     
  15. Everyone's doomed. Sign off now, avoid the rush.