Only in for the dosh!

#1
Spoke to several SNCO's last night and it became apparent that 80% of them attended regularly for the cash (although most appeared to enjoy being in the TA). Although I knew a number weren't quite well off I was still astonished to find such a high percentage and of the remainder I know TA provides a large part of their income.

When did it all go wrong, am I the only one who doesn't rely on TA income. Worse was I found this info out as I am considering leaving the TA and the primary reason I was given to stay in was the cash factor. Only 1 said I should take some time off and then come back (overwork/stress being a reason to leave)
 
#2
I am not in it solely for the money, but it is a retention factor for me.
Most weekends I come in are either because I enjoy the activity, feel I am contributing something to the unit or there for the social side.
However, there are some weekends I don't look forward to and am there because a. its expected, and b. I could do with the money.
 
#4
There are over 30,000 TA on the books, each and every person has their own reasons for continuing to attend, a small snapshot of perhaps "old hands" does not reflect how the majority feel or are motivated. Do you imagine that regular soldiers are any different, monetary issues are just as relevant to them as anyone else.
 

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#5
Not that surprising really. I know several people who could not afford to do be in the TA if it was not paid. They would have to do overtime or another job.

Lets just think about the maths. say that the TA pays you £4000 pa (including bounty) and your civ job pays £30,000

TA represents over 13% of your income. Not many of us would happily accept a 10% loss of income.

We are being pushed more and more into having a 'TA career' so it should not be unreasonable to expect a reliable income from that career.
 
#6
whats wrong if you do it partially for the money? fail to see the argument here.....if ppl dont get paid it becomes a hobby which in my opinion is not what the T.A should really be!
 
#7
JPALegend said:
Spoke to several SNCO's last night and it became apparent that 80% of them attended regularly for the cash
Why do you think officers put an appearance in?
 
#8
if you attend, and provide a service (enable or become trained) then you deserve to get paid. most of us tend to give up a lot of free time for what we do, and in todays economic climate............
 
#9
It's an old chestnut.

Do you or don't you?

I think it varies with when you join, where you are in your career (TA and civvy) and the demands being placed upon you. A bit like being available for mobilisation.

Putting it more simply (ack Polar69's view) would you do it for free....?
 
#10
We have an astonishing number of SNCO's and Officers appear on our recruit training weekends!! to the extent that apart from recruits there was actually only ONE Private soldier in attendance on the last one!!

To be honest as the JNCO's take the bulk of the lessons....er WHAT do they do!?

one in particular hasn't even done a tour, now medically downgraded.....don't get me started!!
 

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#11
charlotte-the-harlot said:
We have an astonishing number of SNCO's and Officers appear on our recruit training weekends!! to the extent that apart from recruits there was actually only ONE Private soldier in attendance on the last one!!

To be honest as the JNCO's take the bulk of the lessons....er WHAT do they do!?

one in particular hasn't even done a tour, now medically downgraded.....don't get me started!!
I wish to pick you up on one thing. Going on tours should not be used to measure a TA soldiers commitment or imply that those who have not are not really up to it.

If the Army needs them it should have the testicular fortitude to call them up.
 
#12
Wingletang said:
It's an old chestnut.

Do you or don't you?

I think it varies with when you join, where you are in your career (TA and civvy) and the demands being placed upon you. A bit like being available for mobilisation.

Putting it more simply (ack Polar69's view) would you do it for free....?
Fibua weekend pay to do that :D :D .
matts weekend hell no .
 

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#14
charlotte-the-harlot said:
We have an astonishing number of SNCO's and Officers appear on our recruit training weekends!! to the extent that apart from recruits there was actually only ONE Private soldier in attendance on the last one!!

To be honest as the JNCO's take the bulk of the lessons....er WHAT do they do!?

one in particular hasn't even done a tour, now medically downgraded.....don't get me started!!
Why would you expect to see private soldiers training recruits? They would need to have passed the relevant qualifying courses, many of which require rank

What do the officers and SNCOs do? Well, it very much depends on the individuals, but they mainly do the tedious but compulsory paperwork, admin and training support jobs that allows the JNCOs to do the training. Just because you do not see it happening, it does not mean it is not being done.

They are also there to supervise the JNCOs to ensure that all of the training is being done correctly, TOs being met etc.
 
#15
billypleased said:
I am not in it solely for the money, but it is a retention factor for me.
Most weekends I come in are either because I enjoy the activity, feel I am contributing something to the unit or there for the social side.
However, there are some weekends I don't look forward to and am there because a. its expected, and b. I could do with the money.
ditto (but I'm not enjoying it as much)

woody said:
Fibua weekend pay to do that :D :D .
matts weekend hell no .
True, should be double time for MATT weekends
 
#16
Over the years I have done it for a number of different reasons. I couldn't do it for nothing as I would have to do other work instead.

The social aspect plays a big part in it for me (not going on the lash). Six years ago I had a break in service for 18 months. I knew no one on a social setting outside of the TA.

If you are thinking of leaving I would suggest first considering a leave of absence (or whatever its called now). And second you have something in place aside from work or family that you can fill your time with.

The pub isn't the same as the Mess!
 

chrisg46

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#17
I didnt join for the money, but i wouldn't do as much as i do without it. On a vaguely similar principle, i am still amazed that Special Constables don't get paid.
 
#18
charlotte-the-harlot said:
True and with some it is a matter of domestic arrangements! BUT...still annoys me!
It shouldn't and the fact that it does is deeply worrying. The fact that it annoys you, annoys me.

We have had this discussion on other threads elsewhere and in the past. The simple FACT is that not everyone can or wants to go and yet do make a significant contribution on a whole range of other levels. Furthermore, in time their circumstances will/may change and they will then be available for a 'tour' thus building capability in the future when others have left.
 
#19
My son is interested in joining his local TA while he is at college, how much would a TA soldier pick up a Month if he done 4 drill nights and 4 weekends? I kow there are countless variables but could anyone shed any light on a rough figure? Cheers.
 

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#20
Wingletang said:
charlotte-the-harlot said:
True and with some it is a matter of domestic arrangements! BUT...still annoys me!
It shouldn't and the fact that it does is deeply worrying. The fact that it annoys you, annoys me.

We have had this discussion on other threads elsewhere and in the past. The simple FACT is that not everyone can or wants to go and yet do make a significant contribution on a whole range of other levels. Furthermore, in time their circumstances will/may change and they will then be available for a 'tour' thus building capability in the future when others have left.
It also gives credence to that hoary old lie that the TA is full of people who take the money but won't deploy. I don't know anyone who is unwilling to deploy. Of course it's not 'convenient' for everybody all of the time.

I know people who were disappointed that their appeals against compulsory mobilisation were accepted. They had to appeal for forms sake (job or family) but did not expect to win.

My own circumstance is that I did a Balkans tour over 10 years ago. I have volunteered a couple of times for TELIC but was not called up.

I am aware that people in my 'trade' are being trawled at the moment but it does not suit my lifestyle right now (job and family) so I am not going to volunteer. I would be more than happy to be compulsorily mobilised - that would remove the life style issues.

I know a lot of people in similar circumstances.
 

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