Only Corps that does thier own job..and the others

#1
I didn't realise it til late on in my service, but I love the REME. Main reason was because as far as I can make out, we are the only Corps that can TRULY say that we can do our own jobs AND the jobs of those we serve with.

As an armourer that always served with infantry units in LAD's, I could, and did, soldier as well as any infanteer. When the chips were down, so did the VM's, and the leccys.

Be proud boys of the REME, and be proud of the saying; By Skill and By Fighting, because it's true.
 
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#3
I take it that you are promoting the 'Soldier first, tradesman second' argument Shotgun. Nice try but no cigar, I'm afraid. Unless you have received specific training and have had the opportunity to apply that training 'in role', I'm afraid you just will not have the full skill set - God knows that there enough infanteers that struggle!

Great that you love the REME - we should all be proud of what we do - and that certainly doesn't make you inferior in anyway, but don't kid yourself or anyone else that you are something that you are not. Unless you are SAS Trooper perhaps?
 
#4
Milan_Platoon_Storeman said:
You are / were, after all merely the unifomed branch of the AA. See you on the objective, once it's secured and the brass needs picking up and the vehicles servicing.
...and slightly disingenuous MPS; don't think that just because you are employed as cannon fodder that makes you a better soldier. The Army is all about teamwork and each Arm or Service has a role to play and a contribution to make. I am happy to take a jovial side swipe at anyone, but let's not forget how we all rely on each other when the bullets start whistling around our ears.
 
#5
As an armourer that always served with infantry units in LAD's, I could, and did, soldier as well as any infanteer. When the chips were down, so did the VM's, and the leccys.
Whenever Isee you lot in the field your normally in a tent with a thousand lights on making tonnes of noise and drinking beer....hardly "Universal Soldier".
 
#6
Muttley said:
Whenever Isee you lot in the field your normally in a tent with a thousand lights on making tonnes of noise and drinking beer....hardly "Universal Soldier".
You mean to say that we were NOT meant to be doing that when 'out in the woods camping' ? Why do they give us all the generators and the fridges for the 'temperature controlled stores'?
 
#7
Milan_Platoon_Storeman said:
So, another halfwitted, uninformed heap of bilge directed at the Infantry. Just beacause you can hold a rifle my friend, or even look hard, does not make you an Infantryman. I give you FM Lord Wavell (a tankie by trade):

Stick to spanner monkeying. You are / were, after all merely the unifomed branch of the AA. See you on the objective, once it's secured and the brass needs picking up and the vehicles servicing.
I served for many years with the infantry, and did a few choice courses, as did many other armourers and vm's that served in LAD's. I also liked the infantry, which is why I avoided workshops and the usual REME bullshyte. I know the infantry as well as any infantryman.

It's a pity so many ******* are now seemingly in REME and incapable of doing anything but spanner monkeying.
 
#8
RangiRam said:
I take it that you are promoting the 'Soldier first, tradesman second' argument Shotgun. Nice try but no cigar, I'm afraid. Unless you have received specific training and have had the opportunity to apply that training 'in role', I'm afraid you just will not have the full skill set - God knows that there enough infanteers that struggle!

Great that you love the REME - we should all be proud of what we do - and that certainly doesn't make you inferior in anyway, but don't kid yourself or anyone else that you are something that you are not. Unless you are SAS Trooper perhaps?
Of course I agree with a soldier first policy, don't you? As for the full skillset, if you don't have it after a few years serving with infantry in LAD's, then you should get back to a base workshop and grow into a fat cnut, like the usual REME tossers that are a waste of space to the army and no better than civvies in uniform.
 
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and slightly disingenuous MPS; don't think that just because you are employed as cannon fodder that makes you a better soldier. The Army is all about teamwork and each Arm or Service has a role to play and a contribution to make. I am happy to take a jovial side swipe at anyone, but let's not forget how we all rely on each other when the bullets start whistling around our ears.
I think some cnuts forget that some REME actually go out with infantry units on the ground and form part of rifle companies, and even, hush my mouth, take an infantry platoon out or section on a regular basis.

Maybe it's just how the REME has evolved into an arrogant corps over the few years since I left and they think themselves too important in their role.
 
#10
Whenever Isee you lot in the field your normally in a tent with a thousand lights on making tonnes of noise and drinking beer....hardly "Universal Soldier".
Never ever did that, mind you, never served in Germany with tankies.

Maybe I should change the post into saying how SOME armourers and tradesmen did the real work and others were just fat useless cnuts that could chuck a spanner round and nothing else?
 
#11
as I can make out, we are the only Corps that can TRULY say that we can do our own jobs AND the jobs of those we serve with.
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Get real - have a look around the workshop floor the next time you actually go in - I dare you not to pi$$ yourself laughin' at your own, ill-informed opinion.

REME lads are generally a good lot, good at their job, good on the pi$$, good at loads of things and have helped me out loads of times, but infantrymen? Not on your nelly!!!!!! Don't forget, REME don't just serve with the infantry - would you consider a gun fitter capable of commanding a Chally 2(and I don't just mean driving into the servicing bay)? What about commanding MLRS, AS90 - the list goes on, and and on.

I hate to pi$$ on your fire, it's good to have a bit of pride in your capbadge, but I think you have got a bit of an inflated ego.
 
#12
RangiRam, I accept your point, but you miss mine. I have no problem with all parts contributing to an efficient whole. But I do object to the assumption that because everyone has had some Infantry experience, it is immediately assumed that everyone can be an Infantryman. Bit like saying that everyone who can drive is capable of being a F1 racing driver - they can't and they would probably end up killing themselves.

Each to his own and accept that Infanteering is as much of a skill as any CR2 pack change!
 
#13
Wavell was NOT a Tanker - he was Black Watch!
 
#14
[ would you consider a gun fitter capable of commanding a Chally 2(and I don't just mean driving into the servicing bay)? What about commanding MLRS, AS90]

I remember a situation on the point when one of 2 RTR's tanks was seriously in danger of failing it's third CABF. We'd been called up every time to carry out pre firing checks and to check everything but nothing was amiss. The decision was made to let the people who knew how the actual equipment worked have a go. The Inst Tech carried out the boresighting to actually get the sighting within tolerance, there was the VM in the drivers seat, the gunfitter in the loaders bay and an ECE ! in the gunners seat. The gunnery gods were of cause floating around on the turret. Low and behold the tank passed with flying colours. Nuff said[/quote]
 
#15
Get real - have a look around the workshop floor the next time you actually go in - I dare you not to pi$$ yourself laughin' at your own, ill-informed opinion.
How the fck can my opinion be ill informed when I've been there and done that?

This isn't inflated ego about the Corps, it is an observation. Maybe the Corps has gone downhill since I left and they are NOW arrogant and have inflated egos, to such an extent that they don't think they SHOULD soldier because they are something special.

How many LAD's have you worked in attached to infantry units?
 
#16
Each to his own and accept that Infanteering is as much of a skill as any CR2 pack change!
Total bolllocks.

A good REME soldier in the right environment can be just as good an infantryman as any infantry unit, and in many cases are.

What unit were/are you?
 
#17
I remember a situation on the point when one of 2 RTR's tanks was seriously in danger of failing it's third CABF. We'd been called up every time to carry out pre firing checks and to check everything but nothing was amiss. The decision was made to let the people who knew how the actual equipment worked have a go. The Inst Tech carried out the boresighting to actually get the sighting within tolerance, there was the VM in the drivers seat, the gunfitter in the loaders bay and an ECE ! in the gunners seat. The gunnery gods were of cause floating around on the turret. Low and behold the tank passed with flying colours. Nuff said
Exactly my point Alf, and the point that some pople seem to be missing.

With the infantry I used to TRAIN the infanteers on GPMG SF, mortars and pistol, mainly because the infantrymen didn't have enough instructors, but also because I was better at it than they were. With two infantry units the armourers were picked for march and shoots because we we were better with the GPMG in the light role. In Ireland I was close support because none of the infantrymen, or too few of them, were qualified on pistol, and I took my own sections out on the border within the rifle company. In London Clodstream Guards won London brigade rifle competition with three armourers and a VM; not a infanteer in sight. In the Falklands I was a GPMG gunner with a Ranger as a number 2 and the paycorps bod the pack mule.

The list goes on and on.

I didn't say that we were up to speed on overall general tactics, especially on tanks, but that depends on training. You put four REME on a tank commanders course and they will pass. Fcking infanteers and tankies aren't born, they need training, but the basis for the jobs are there.
 
#18
Shotgun...although I agree with you in principle, perhaps you could have passed on your opinion in a MORE contraversial manner.

I to have served, and have considerable experience with Mech and Non Mech Inf, Cav, Tankies, Arty and REME Battalions...infact the only Corps/Regt to avoid my grasp is the Womans Aux Balloon Corps.

When I joined the Army I qualified as a Class 3 Soldier...just the same as the infantry at the time, before advancing to 18 months of technical training. So that made me a basic Infantryman and a Technician.

My first post with the Royal Artillery (a brill posting)...you have all heard this story before...where the Wksp was told to provide several 'Troops' to enter a 'Regimental Inter Troop Competition'. These consisted of the usual Mil stands including Gunnery skills. Not expecting any other result the CO and RSM were left with a dilemma at the end of this competition...The Wksp (REME and RAOC) came 1st, 2nd and 3rd. The silver went to 4th place and the Wksp got the beer (and the satisfaction that they beat the Regiment). Felt sorry for the Regiment after as the CO's wrath was felt all around. This is just one instance of this situation in my long career.

I too have experienced the CABF situation on more than one occasion with both Armr and Mech Inf and also been left with no other choice other than to 're-educate' Gunnery 'Instructors' due to their gross incompetence.

After hearing a Scimitar Comd gobbing of through the duration of a firing camp of how much he didn't need REME...he was offered no support when things started to go wrong (with full approval of the CO). Needless to say, the final straw was when he, his crew and his CVR(T) were abandoned outside Lulworth gate when the car decided to trash a final drive. The CO left him there for two days before reducing him two ranks.

I could go on for ever to fuel this arguement...but I ask the question...who in the Infantry/Cav/Arty can claim they can be an infantryman, a Tank or Artillery Gunner/Cmdr/Ldr AND repair the most complex equipment the British Army currently has on its equipment table. Erm that will be the attached personnel then!

A summary...I do not wish to bring highlight any inadequacies of our customers other than to ridicule their arguements. Support arms are there to do exactly that, without the teeth arms there is no task. But a message to those teeth arms...realise exactly where you are in the human food chain! :wink:
 
#19
Shotgun...although I agree with you in principle, perhaps you could have passed on your opinion in a MORE contraversial manner
Well Wibblefish, seeing as this is a REME board, or at least this section, I didn't expect it to be so contraversial, lol.

I only made the observation and perhaps in hindsight, seeing as so many are against the principle of soldier first, maybe I could have been more eloquent. In hindsight, with experience of workshops only very little, and never really having served as attachment to anything but true footsloggers, I might have foreseen this.

Thinking back on SEME, the upgraders when I was in training and subsequently, in the main, were a bunch of lazy fat bastards that struggled with a BFT and were only truly grease monkeys, and the techs little more than puffs that didn't like getting their hands dirty...lol...or is this just another crude generalisation of what a soldier in REME is?
 
#20
Oh Dear. Your last post in reply to mine is a complete non sequitur Shotgun. I was taking the charitable view that each is an expert in his own field etc etc. If you were such an effin' good Infantryman, and you clearly enjoyed being around them - why not re-badge? Or is it perhaps that you enjoyed your lofty view?

I'm going to have a good look at the courses that Arborfield are offering then get straight on the dog to DInf. He clearly needs to be told.

I always knew it was going to be a bad idea calling the crack REME troops 'Battalions'. Now look at the mess we're in.

I'd lay off the engine oil if I were you.
 

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