One Common Cause

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  1. Please let us know if you have sent a request to your MP. We can then follow it up! again thank you for your time...

    Hi all, I don't come on this side of the fence that often... but needs must.

    I have been working towards the new campaign "One Common Cause" dealing with the medical discharge system failures.

    Please ask your MP to sign this new EDM. If we get enough support we should be able to force change to the current system, which is failing our injured personnel.

    Thank-Hitback

    EDM361 - Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel

    Proposed by Nick Harvey on 03/12/2009

    That this House recognises the difficulties with the current Medical Discharge system by which three medical boards discuss the injured person's medical treatment and discharge; believes that insufficiently reliable information about benefits and entitlements is available to service personnel prior to discharge, as well as information about the Discharge board process itself, which is often convoluted and conducted in an uninformative manner; notes that the appointments with the boards can often be intimidating; calls for better support from outside agencies such as the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency; and urges the Government to investigate the matter and to transform medical discharge boards so that they become fairer, more transparent and more accessible in terms of advice and guidance throughout the whole process.

    All the history so far.
    http://onecommoncause.blogspot.com/



    More on this thread.
    http://www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/p=402738.html#402738
     
  2. Mr Curry now has an email awaiting his attention.

    Good luck with the campaign Hitback
     
  3. That's great news Whet tnks.. I'm sure there are many reading this thinking "I will leave it for someone else to do" but we need all users of the site to send an email to their MP. Once again thank you...

    Any chance this can be made a sticky.?

     
  4. What's the problem?

    You'll get a much better response if you put forward a tangible example. We is not the brightest bunch.
     
  5. How very true DeltaDog. Tnks

    I have placed some events below and there is talk of the decks being cleared again...

    Though this story is old it still happens now: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1459109/Sick-soldiers-sacked-to-save-pensions.html

    This one more upto date: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/09/troops-adjust-civilian-life

    This talks about one mans story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/09/military-afghanistan

    More information on here. But I believe the synopsis explains the failures in the system...
    http://onecommoncause.blogspot.com/



    One Common Cause
    Campaign Synopsis



    The following was passed onto the office of Nick Harvey to support the EDM. However the Conservative Party have failed to show their commitment: WHY?

    Although the Armed Forces have been Tri-Service for some time the MoD still run three separate Medical Discharge Boards for the three Armed Forces. Service personnel go through three Boards but only attend the final one before discharge.

    Having three separate Medical Discharge Boards adds to greater cost to the public purse and confusion for those being discharged.

    Many service personnel have little or no idea of how these Boards work before they arrive at one –this has been the case for decades and urgently needs reform.

    When service personnel arrive at the final Board they have no idea what to say, who sits on the Medical Board, or what powers these Boards have. There is very little general advice or guidance from the MoD or other agency on the process service personnel undergo, their fundamental rights or reliable answers about discharge.

    There is no automatic right for personnel to bring along a nominated colleague or friend or legal adviser so candidates can sometimes make catastrophic decisions about their future lives.

    The degree or percentage of disability service personnel qualify for (important for realising how much compensation they will later receive) is not told to them by the Medical Board but are informed much later. There is no medical plan for injured personnel or any appointments booked with medical staff.

    The Service Personnel and Veterans Agency (SPVA) is not involved at any stage of the Medical Board process and are not permitted to see any information about service personnel going before the Board.

    If the SPVA were allowed information, it would mean the necessary paperwork for a war pension for example will have been completed and information about benefits including Incapacity, Mobility, Carers Allowance, Housing Benefits etc will have been talked through.

    It would mean an exemption certificate for medication (presently not issued until discharge) will have been issued which would allow personnel to get medication they require free of charge and not allow some of them to fall into poverty.

    The SPVA would also be responsible for contacting outside agencies such as Combat Stress or Talking2Minds with the date, time and place of treatment before the service leaver enters civilian life. This is essential for those suffering from Mental Health Issues (PTSD). Combat Stress should be made aware of the service leaver if they have PTSD or any service related mental illness.

    A story in The Times on 15 November 2009 said that 4,916 cases of mental disorder have been identified in British troops who toured Afghanistan and Iraq, while 67 who served in the two war zones had committed suicide since 2003.

    While an injured person is on the SAM List or at Headley Court, they should be encouraged to start pre-release courses including advice on self employment, CV writing, Interview techniques.

    The resettlement into Social Housing requires to be done at least 6 months prior to discharge.

    Finally, there should be recognition of the job spouses and dependants do for those who are discharged – it is them who keep family life together when the front door closes.

    By re-examining its procedures and introducing change to the present Medical Discharge System it would mean that a faster transition to civilian life would be achieved in line with the Ministry of Defence’s paper The Nation’s Commitment to the Armed Forces Community: Consistent and Enduring Support which was presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Defence in July 2009.
     
  6. Thank you to those that have PMed me. Please keep sending your MP a copy of the synopsis and ask them to sign EDM 361.

    Once again thank you for the sites support- Hitback
     
  7. David Cameron's Tories have failed to support this move to improve the medical discharge system. When I met up with Andrew Murrison MP, Tory Defence Team, he said he agreed the that the system was unfair- worked against the injured person and needed addressing.

    If his party feels so supportive towards our troops lets see them sign and press for change to this draconian system.

    Please ask your MP to sign EDM361 - Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel.

    Thanks - Hitback
     
  8. Update

    I have had an Email from Military Families Support Group. They have put EDM 361 on their site-their members will make up their own mind and hopefully send a letter to their MP asking them to Sign up.

    Another national paper has called and asked about the campaign. I will add to this side of the campaign as and when it becomes live.

    Keep sending those emails to your MP, our troops need our support know not later... Please help :wink:

    Yours
    Hitback
     
  9. I think we should all support this EDM. It seems to me to be a system which is well past it's sell by date and is not serving the interests of our service personnel well at all. Our service personnel serve in difficult times and clearly there is a need for speedy reform in order to best serve the circumstances of today. This EDM, should it go through, will help this process and hopefully act as a laxative within the MOD.

    Please support it by writing or emailing your MP
     
  10. The only name on EDM 361 is Nick Harvey MP Lib Dems. The reason I asked his office not to wait for more names before placing into the House of Commons, is due to the Conservative Party, they were dragging their feet and more than likely would try to water down the EDM by submitting their own. Nick Harvey has taken a brave step forward for our injured troops, so lets show the HofC we stand together serving or not...!

    Check for when your MP adds their name:? http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=39921

    Thanks

    Hitback
     
  11. The sad inevitable truth is that very few of those public figures or players who stand to gain from joining commendable causes such as this, will do so purely out of self interest and self promotion. How many will have the balls to stick their neck out and stand by their principles, instead of counting the personal benefits?

    The Armed Forces past and present are ordinary people doing extraordinary things. Hardly an individual among them seeks recognition, and carry/carried out their duty with dignity. Let our so called elected representatives grow a set and get behind these things.
     
  12. Agreed Come on you Arrsers lets get this going!
     
  13. We have now had 873 views of the topic I hope we get 873 emails or letters to MPs to support the EDM!
     
  14. This is what we are trying to get supported

    EDM361 - Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel

    Proposed by Nick Harvey on 03/12/2009

    That this House recognises the difficulties with the current Medical Discharge system by which three medical boards discuss the injured person's medical treatment and discharge; believes that insufficiently reliable information about benefits and entitlements is available to service personnel prior to discharge, as well as information about the Discharge board process itself, which is often convoluted and conducted in an uninformative manner; notes that the appointments with the boards can often be intimidating; calls for better support from outside agencies such as the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency; and urges the Government to investigate the matter and to transform medical discharge boards so that they become fairer, more transparent and more accessible in terms of advice and guidance throughout the whole process.

    Please let us know if you send of to your MP, just give their name on here and we can both follow them up!

    The following link will make locating your MP easy.

    http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/index.cfm


    Please show your support by sending your MP the following.

    Thank you once again for the sites support.
    Regards

    Hitback


    Dear .........


    Please sign EDM 361 Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel.

    These are the reasons why you should sign.

    Although the Armed Forces have been Tri-Service for some time the MoD still run three separate Medical Discharge Boards for the three Armed Forces. Service personnel go through three Boards but only attend the final one before discharge.

    Having three separate Medical Discharge Boards adds to greater cost to the public purse and confusion for those being discharged.

    Many service personnel have little or no idea of how these Boards work before they arrive at one –this has been the case for decades and urgently needs reform.

    When service personnel arrive at the final Board they have no idea what to say, who sits on the Medical Board, or what powers these Boards have. There is very little general advice or guidance from the MoD or other agency on the process service personnel undergo, their fundamental rights or reliable answers about discharge.

    There is no automatic right for personnel to bring along a nominated colleague or friend or legal adviser so candidates can sometimes make catastrophic decisions about their future lives.

    The degree or percentage of disability service personnel qualify for (important for realising how much compensation they will later receive) is not told to them by the Medical Board but are informed much later. There is no medical plan for injured personnel or any appointments booked with medical staff.

    The Service Personnel and Veterans Agency (SPVA) is not involved at any stage of the Medical Board process and are not permitted to see any information about service personnel going before the Board.

    If the SPVA were allowed information, it would mean the necessary paperwork for a war pension for example will have been completed and information about benefits including Incapacity, Mobility, Carers Allowance, Housing Benefits etc will have been talked through.

    It would mean an exemption certificate for medication (presently not issued until discharge) will have been issued which would allow personnel to get medication they require free of charge and not allow some of them to fall into poverty.

    The SPVA would also be responsible for contacting outside agencies such as Combat Stress or Talking2Minds with the date, time and place of treatment before the service leaver enters civilian life. This is essential for those suffering from Mental Health Issues (PTSD). Combat Stress should be made aware of the service leaver if they have PTSD or any service related mental illness.

    A story in The Times on 15 November 2009 said that 4,916 cases of mental disorder have been identified in British troops who toured Afghanistan and Iraq, while 67 who served in the two war zones had committed suicide since 2003.

    While an injured person is on the SAM List or at Headley Court, they should be encouraged to start pre-release courses including advice on self employment, CV writing, Interview techniques.

    The resettlement into Social Housing requires to be done at least 6 months prior to discharge.

    Finally, there should be recognition of the job spouses and dependants do for those who are discharged – it is them who keep family life together when the front door closes.

    By re-examining its procedures and introducing change to the present Medical Discharge System it would mean that a faster transition to civilian life would be achieved in line with the Ministry of Defence’s paper The Nation’s Commitment to the Armed Forces Community: Consistent and Enduring Support which was presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Defence in July 2009.


    Your Respectfully


    All the history so far.
    http://onecommoncause.blogspot.com/
     
  15. Hi, Mr Paul Keetch has been sent a copy of this letter by e-mail. Is there anything else I can do?