One Common Cause

#1
Please let us know if you have sent a request to your MP. We can then follow it up! again thank you for your time...

Hi all, I don't come on this side of the fence that often... but needs must.

I have been working towards the new campaign "One Common Cause" dealing with the medical discharge system failures.

Please ask your MP to sign this new EDM. If we get enough support we should be able to force change to the current system, which is failing our injured personnel.

Thank-Hitback

EDM361 - Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel

Proposed by Nick Harvey on 03/12/2009

That this House recognises the difficulties with the current Medical Discharge system by which three medical boards discuss the injured person's medical treatment and discharge; believes that insufficiently reliable information about benefits and entitlements is available to service personnel prior to discharge, as well as information about the Discharge board process itself, which is often convoluted and conducted in an uninformative manner; notes that the appointments with the boards can often be intimidating; calls for better support from outside agencies such as the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency; and urges the Government to investigate the matter and to transform medical discharge boards so that they become fairer, more transparent and more accessible in terms of advice and guidance throughout the whole process.

All the history so far.
http://onecommoncause.blogspot.com/



More on this thread.
http://www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/p=402738.html#402738
 
#3
That's great news Whet tnks.. I'm sure there are many reading this thinking "I will leave it for someone else to do" but we need all users of the site to send an email to their MP. Once again thank you...

Any chance this can be made a sticky.?

Whet said:
Mr Curry now has an email awaiting his attention.

Good luck with the campaign Hitback
 
#5
How very true DeltaDog. Tnks

I have placed some events below and there is talk of the decks being cleared again...

Though this story is old it still happens now: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1459109/Sick-soldiers-sacked-to-save-pensions.html

This one more upto date: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/09/troops-adjust-civilian-life

This talks about one mans story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/09/military-afghanistan

More information on here. But I believe the synopsis explains the failures in the system...
http://onecommoncause.blogspot.com/



One Common Cause
Campaign Synopsis



The following was passed onto the office of Nick Harvey to support the EDM. However the Conservative Party have failed to show their commitment: WHY?

Although the Armed Forces have been Tri-Service for some time the MoD still run three separate Medical Discharge Boards for the three Armed Forces. Service personnel go through three Boards but only attend the final one before discharge.

Having three separate Medical Discharge Boards adds to greater cost to the public purse and confusion for those being discharged.

Many service personnel have little or no idea of how these Boards work before they arrive at one –this has been the case for decades and urgently needs reform.

When service personnel arrive at the final Board they have no idea what to say, who sits on the Medical Board, or what powers these Boards have. There is very little general advice or guidance from the MoD or other agency on the process service personnel undergo, their fundamental rights or reliable answers about discharge.

There is no automatic right for personnel to bring along a nominated colleague or friend or legal adviser so candidates can sometimes make catastrophic decisions about their future lives.

The degree or percentage of disability service personnel qualify for (important for realising how much compensation they will later receive) is not told to them by the Medical Board but are informed much later. There is no medical plan for injured personnel or any appointments booked with medical staff.

The Service Personnel and Veterans Agency (SPVA) is not involved at any stage of the Medical Board process and are not permitted to see any information about service personnel going before the Board.

If the SPVA were allowed information, it would mean the necessary paperwork for a war pension for example will have been completed and information about benefits including Incapacity, Mobility, Carers Allowance, Housing Benefits etc will have been talked through.

It would mean an exemption certificate for medication (presently not issued until discharge) will have been issued which would allow personnel to get medication they require free of charge and not allow some of them to fall into poverty.

The SPVA would also be responsible for contacting outside agencies such as Combat Stress or Talking2Minds with the date, time and place of treatment before the service leaver enters civilian life. This is essential for those suffering from Mental Health Issues (PTSD). Combat Stress should be made aware of the service leaver if they have PTSD or any service related mental illness.

A story in The Times on 15 November 2009 said that 4,916 cases of mental disorder have been identified in British troops who toured Afghanistan and Iraq, while 67 who served in the two war zones had committed suicide since 2003.

While an injured person is on the SAM List or at Headley Court, they should be encouraged to start pre-release courses including advice on self employment, CV writing, Interview techniques.

The resettlement into Social Housing requires to be done at least 6 months prior to discharge.

Finally, there should be recognition of the job spouses and dependants do for those who are discharged – it is them who keep family life together when the front door closes.

By re-examining its procedures and introducing change to the present Medical Discharge System it would mean that a faster transition to civilian life would be achieved in line with the Ministry of Defence’s paper The Nation’s Commitment to the Armed Forces Community: Consistent and Enduring Support which was presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Defence in July 2009.
 
#6
Thank you to those that have PMed me. Please keep sending your MP a copy of the synopsis and ask them to sign EDM 361.

Once again thank you for the sites support- Hitback
 
#7
David Cameron's Tories have failed to support this move to improve the medical discharge system. When I met up with Andrew Murrison MP, Tory Defence Team, he said he agreed the that the system was unfair- worked against the injured person and needed addressing.

If his party feels so supportive towards our troops lets see them sign and press for change to this draconian system.

Please ask your MP to sign EDM361 - Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel.

Thanks - Hitback
 
#8
Update

I have had an Email from Military Families Support Group. They have put EDM 361 on their site-their members will make up their own mind and hopefully send a letter to their MP asking them to Sign up.

Another national paper has called and asked about the campaign. I will add to this side of the campaign as and when it becomes live.

Keep sending those emails to your MP, our troops need our support know not later... Please help :wink:

Yours
Hitback
 
#9
I think we should all support this EDM. It seems to me to be a system which is well past it's sell by date and is not serving the interests of our service personnel well at all. Our service personnel serve in difficult times and clearly there is a need for speedy reform in order to best serve the circumstances of today. This EDM, should it go through, will help this process and hopefully act as a laxative within the MOD.

Please support it by writing or emailing your MP
 
#10
The only name on EDM 361 is Nick Harvey MP Lib Dems. The reason I asked his office not to wait for more names before placing into the House of Commons, is due to the Conservative Party, they were dragging their feet and more than likely would try to water down the EDM by submitting their own. Nick Harvey has taken a brave step forward for our injured troops, so lets show the HofC we stand together serving or not...!

Check for when your MP adds their name:? http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=39921

Thanks

Hitback
 
T

Tremaine

Guest
#11
The sad inevitable truth is that very few of those public figures or players who stand to gain from joining commendable causes such as this, will do so purely out of self interest and self promotion. How many will have the balls to stick their neck out and stand by their principles, instead of counting the personal benefits?

The Armed Forces past and present are ordinary people doing extraordinary things. Hardly an individual among them seeks recognition, and carry/carried out their duty with dignity. Let our so called elected representatives grow a set and get behind these things.
 
#12
Tremaine said:
The sad inevitable truth is that very few of those public figures or players who stand to gain from joining commendable causes such as this, will do so purely out of self interest and self promotion. How many will have the balls to stick their neck out and stand by their principles, instead of counting the personal benefits?

The Armed Forces past and present are ordinary people doing extraordinary things. Hardly an individual among them seeks recognition, and carry/carried out their duty with dignity. Let our so called elected representatives grow a set and get behind these things.
Agreed Come on you Arrsers lets get this going!
 
#14
This is what we are trying to get supported

EDM361 - Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel

Proposed by Nick Harvey on 03/12/2009

That this House recognises the difficulties with the current Medical Discharge system by which three medical boards discuss the injured person's medical treatment and discharge; believes that insufficiently reliable information about benefits and entitlements is available to service personnel prior to discharge, as well as information about the Discharge board process itself, which is often convoluted and conducted in an uninformative manner; notes that the appointments with the boards can often be intimidating; calls for better support from outside agencies such as the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency; and urges the Government to investigate the matter and to transform medical discharge boards so that they become fairer, more transparent and more accessible in terms of advice and guidance throughout the whole process.

Please let us know if you send of to your MP, just give their name on here and we can both follow them up!

The following link will make locating your MP easy.

http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/index.cfm


Please show your support by sending your MP the following.

Thank you once again for the sites support.
Regards

Hitback


Dear .........


Please sign EDM 361 Medical Discharge Boards And Armed Forces Personnel.

These are the reasons why you should sign.

Although the Armed Forces have been Tri-Service for some time the MoD still run three separate Medical Discharge Boards for the three Armed Forces. Service personnel go through three Boards but only attend the final one before discharge.

Having three separate Medical Discharge Boards adds to greater cost to the public purse and confusion for those being discharged.

Many service personnel have little or no idea of how these Boards work before they arrive at one –this has been the case for decades and urgently needs reform.

When service personnel arrive at the final Board they have no idea what to say, who sits on the Medical Board, or what powers these Boards have. There is very little general advice or guidance from the MoD or other agency on the process service personnel undergo, their fundamental rights or reliable answers about discharge.

There is no automatic right for personnel to bring along a nominated colleague or friend or legal adviser so candidates can sometimes make catastrophic decisions about their future lives.

The degree or percentage of disability service personnel qualify for (important for realising how much compensation they will later receive) is not told to them by the Medical Board but are informed much later. There is no medical plan for injured personnel or any appointments booked with medical staff.

The Service Personnel and Veterans Agency (SPVA) is not involved at any stage of the Medical Board process and are not permitted to see any information about service personnel going before the Board.

If the SPVA were allowed information, it would mean the necessary paperwork for a war pension for example will have been completed and information about benefits including Incapacity, Mobility, Carers Allowance, Housing Benefits etc will have been talked through.

It would mean an exemption certificate for medication (presently not issued until discharge) will have been issued which would allow personnel to get medication they require free of charge and not allow some of them to fall into poverty.

The SPVA would also be responsible for contacting outside agencies such as Combat Stress or Talking2Minds with the date, time and place of treatment before the service leaver enters civilian life. This is essential for those suffering from Mental Health Issues (PTSD). Combat Stress should be made aware of the service leaver if they have PTSD or any service related mental illness.

A story in The Times on 15 November 2009 said that 4,916 cases of mental disorder have been identified in British troops who toured Afghanistan and Iraq, while 67 who served in the two war zones had committed suicide since 2003.

While an injured person is on the SAM List or at Headley Court, they should be encouraged to start pre-release courses including advice on self employment, CV writing, Interview techniques.

The resettlement into Social Housing requires to be done at least 6 months prior to discharge.

Finally, there should be recognition of the job spouses and dependants do for those who are discharged – it is them who keep family life together when the front door closes.

By re-examining its procedures and introducing change to the present Medical Discharge System it would mean that a faster transition to civilian life would be achieved in line with the Ministry of Defence’s paper The Nation’s Commitment to the Armed Forces Community: Consistent and Enduring Support which was presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Defence in July 2009.


Your Respectfully


All the history so far.
http://onecommoncause.blogspot.com/
 
#16
Thanks pooky-just keep us updated when he replies....
 
#17
hitback said:
Thanks pooky-just keep us updated when he replies....
Another option to the copy and paste letter, Thanks Skynet...Keep on sending arrsers

Dear ___________________

Reasons for reform

Although the Armed Forces have been Tri-Service for some time the MoD still run three separate Medical Discharge Boards for the three Armed Forces. Service personnel go through three Boards but only attend the final one before discharge.

Having three separate Medical Discharge Boards adds to greater cost to the public purse and confusion for those being discharged.

Many service personnel have little or no idea of how these Boards work before they arrive at one –this has been the case for decades and urgently needs reform.

When service personnel arrive at the final Board they have no idea what to say, who sits on the Medical Board, or what powers these Boards have. There is very little general advice or guidance from the MoD or other agency on the process service personnel undergo, their fundamental rights or reliable answers regarding discharge.

There is no automatic right for personnel to bring along a nominated colleague or friend or legal adviser so candidates can sometimes make catastrophic decisions about their future lives without advocate advise.

The degree or percentage of disability service personnel qualify for (important for realising how much compensation they will later receive) is not explained to them by the Medical Board. They are informed much later. There is no opportunity to book appointments with medical staff in order to formulate a medical plan for those in urgent need.

The Service Personnel and Veterans Agency (SPVA) is not involved at any stage of the Medical Board process and are not permitted to see any information about service personnel who go before the Board.

If the SPVA were allowed information, it would mean the necessary paperwork for a war pension for example will have been completed and information about benefits including Incapacity, Mobility, Carers Allowance, Housing Benefits etc will have been discussed with the serviceman or women.

It would mean an exemption certificate for medication (presently not issued until discharge) will have been issued. This would allow personnel to access medication they may require free of charge. It would alleviate the intervention of social services for those who's financial circumstances may not be able to meet the needs of prescription charges.

The SPVA would also be responsible for contacting outside agencies such as Combat Stress or Talking2Minds with the date, time and place of treatment before the service leaver enters civilian life. This is essential for those suffering from Mental Health Issues (PTSD). Combat Stress should also be made aware of the service leaver if they have PTSD or any service related mental illness.

A story in The Times on 15 November 2009 said that 4,916 cases of mental disorder have been identified in British troops who toured Afghanistan and Iraq, whilst 67 of these who served in the two war zones had also committed suicide since 2003.

While an injured person is on the SAM List or at Headley Court, they should be encouraged to start pre-release courses including advice on self employment, CV writing and Interview techniques.

For those requiring it resettlement into Social Housing requires to be carried out at least 6 months prior to discharge.

Finally, there should be recognition of the support spouses and dependants give for those who are discharged – it is often the spouses who keep family life together when the front door closes.

By re-examining its procedures and introducing change to the present Medical Discharge System would mean that a faster transition to civilian life would be achieved in line with the Ministry of Defence’s paper The Nation’s Commitment to the Armed Forces Community: Consistent and Enduring Support which was presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Defence in July 2009.


Respectfully yours


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#18
Hello,

I'm an expat with no home in the UK, who should I write to or is it considered by the political class as none of my business?

Good luck with the EDM!
 

mercurydancer

LE
Book Reviewer
#19
Hitback

Wait one.

In principle I want servicemen to have the best care possible. Whilst I do not doubt your sincerity the vehemence of your campaign is quite extreme. I do not want to be pressured into something without looking into the issues.

It is simply not enough for an emotive subject such as servicemen's welfare to be reduced to a party political issue. There may well be perfectly understandable issues why the Conservative party have not engaged with this campaign.

I am well aware of the power of lobbyists but it is a simple fact that supporting lobbyists without a degree of thought is often problematic.

In short, pressuring people to sign up for something is not going to work.

MD
 
#20
mercurydancer said:
Hitback

Wait one.

In principle I want servicemen to have the best care possible. Whilst I do not doubt your sincerity the vehemence of your campaign is quite extreme. I do not want to be pressured into something without looking into the issues.

It is simply not enough for an emotive subject such as servicemen's welfare to be reduced to a party political issue. There may well be perfectly understandable issues why the Conservative party have not engaged with this campaign.

I am well aware of the power of lobbyists but it is a simple fact that supporting lobbyists without a degree of thought is often problematic.

In short, pressuring people to sign up for something is not going to work.

MD
Thank you. But that's why the synopsis is being sent. There is also the Blog site to read up on the topic.

The same was stated about the homelessness campaign (local connection rule). However with the support of sites like this one we changed law.

Thank you for your input nonetheless.
 

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