One Army - but seriously...

#1
I have tried searching the forums (as I know One Army has been discussed to death!) but can anyone point me to a MOD/Army webpage or document which outlines the philosophy/spirit of "One Army"?

Basically, a retired senior officer ruled out a friends participation in an event because he wasn't "regular" (despite the guy having just returned from H11 and actually still mobilised until mid summer).

I need to write a respectful letter stating in essence "you charge us the regular army fees yet you then tell us to piss off we're not eligible to participate! Either cut your fees for TA to reflect the fact that you see us as "half soldiers"or treat everyone equally". Any help appreciated.

DR.
 
#2
Well if he's retired hes not regular either. And techcnicly (how do you spell that) he is regular. (the bloke just back from H11 i mean)
 
#3
Deadreckon said:
I have tried searching the forums (as I know One Army has been discussed to death!) but can anyone point me to a MOD/Army webpage or document which outlines the philosophy/spirit of "One Army"?

Basically, a retired senior officer ruled out a friends participation in an event because he wasn't "regular" (despite the guy having just returned from H11 and actually still mobilised until mid summer).

I need to write a respectful letter stating in essence "you charge us the regular army fees yet you then tell us to piss off we're not eligible to participate! Either cut your fees for TA to reflect the fact that you see us as "half soldiers"or treat everyone equally". Any help appreciated.

DR.


Sigh. I see this sort of thing time and time again, and not just in a regular vs reserve context.

With a few very notable exceptions, retired senior officers should be lured into accepting the Governor Generalship of a sunny, but obscure caribbean Island, and then dumped there, en-masse.

It would be a sort of penal colony for the insane, filled with tweed-clad, musty-smelling egomaniacs, mad as fecking hatters wives (also known as "mad shouty posh women"), and packs of incontinent spaniels and black labs.

It would keep the world safe for the rest of us.
 
#4
Completely agree with you re my mate who's just returned. As far as the army is concerned he's a regular. I need to gently but firmly explain "One Army" to this ex regular. Ironically as I'm currently mobilised I probably hold a little more of the moral highground then he does.
 
#5
In the far off days of my youth in the Cold War the TA was very much a distinct entity within the Army orbat, though still contained in said orbat.
Nowadays as it is used as a manpower source for the Regulars as opposed to beefing up the number of units available in case of a major fracas. This has altered the one-army concept and made the TA an appendage of the Regulars, therefore I can't see the problem for your friend to participate.

Sadly, retired crusties have always been a part of the wrinkles in life. A retirement home in the hills under mess rules and run by a hattie jaques-style matron should be the answer.
 
#6
Deadreckon said:
I need to write a respectful letter stating in essence "you charge us the regular army fees yet you then tell us to piss off we're not eligible to participate! Either cut your fees for TA to reflect the fact that you see us as "half soldiers"or treat everyone equally". Any help appreciated.
Don't forget to add "you cnut" at the end of the sentence...oh and that will presumably a demi-official letter to a person outside MOD?
 
#7
Look, its very simple. The rules are:

1. The default setting for all situations involving the TA is "Casual Labour, you are not entitled."

2. Apply the "One Army Concept" only if the MOD will benefit from the deal.

3. If Rule 2 applies but the soldier also derives some benefit add some caveat to remove that benefit.
 

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#8
Deadreckon said:
Basically, a retired senior officer ruled out a friends participation in an event because he wasn't "regular" (despite the guy having just returned from H11 and actually still mobilised until mid summer).



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Your frerind should have agreed with him
He should have pointed out I'm not in your Army because your retired you silly old cunt now fuck off Mr Nobody
 
#9
Deadreckon said:
I need to write a respectful letter stating in essence "you charge us the regular army fees yet you then tell us to piss off we're not eligible to participate! Either cut your fees for TA to reflect the fact that you see us as "half soldiers"or treat everyone equally". Any help appreciated.

DR.
Tell him to photocopy his bare arse and fax it to the committee.

msr
 
#10
Deadreckon said:
I need to write a respectful letter stating in essence "you charge us the regular army fees yet you then tell us to piss off we're not eligible to participate! Either cut your fees for TA to reflect the fact that you see us as "half soldiers"or treat everyone equally". Any help appreciated.

DR.
My bold. If this is a Mess function then he should be invited as matter of form by dint of being a member of the Mess regardless of the manner of his Commission/Enlistment. If this is not a Mess function, then his fee paying status is irrelevant.

Personally, I'm struggling to see what sort of event, or indeed what sort Officer retired or no, would differentiate between a battalion's Regular and attached Reservist members. Care to expand?
 
#11
Cuddles said:
Deadreckon said:
I need to write a respectful letter stating in essence "you charge us the regular army fees yet you then tell us to piss off we're not eligible to participate! Either cut your fees for TA to reflect the fact that you see us as "half soldiers"or treat everyone equally". Any help appreciated.
Don't forget to add "you cnut" at the end of the sentence...oh and that will presumably a demi-official letter to a person outside MOD?
just write 2 letters.

one nice and formal with all the facts and nice persuasive writing to make him reconsider.

and one in a different font, with no return address, and a different name at the bottom, basically detailing the fact that he'd an old cnut, probably can't get hard anymore, will probably contract cancer soon and is on nature's death row anyway.

letter 1 has a chance of resolving the situation.
letter 2 makes you feel better, regardless.

of course, the 3rd option is to track down all the attendees of this function, and invite them all to an even better bash on the same night. you might have to shell out a bit on some free beer and a free BBQ, and maybe hire in a bouncy castle or something for when everyone's trashed; but if it means the old cnut is sat at home whilst all his party guests are at yours on the lash, it's a winner.
 
#13
I would like to think that we had progressed from the days when units such as the RLC HQ at Grantham called Mess Meetings, instructing all Regs, NRPS, TA etc to attend, but told the TA they were not allowed to vote.

Evidently not
 
#14
It's still the same mate. They take mess bills off the TA and spend it on lovely Twickers days out for themselves. Calling a Mess meeting midweek ensures no TA involvement so they don't have to put things like that on the letters any more.
Here's hoping the cutbacks decimate the CVHQ trough!
 
#15
Stop paying the Mess Bill, see what that kicks up.

Pie eating lardarrses.
 
#16
Deadreckon said:
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Basically, a retired senior officer ruled out a friends participation in an event because he wasn't "regular" (despite the guy having just returned from H11 and actually still mobilised until mid summer).

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Can you expand on this please?
 
#17
Bravo_Bravo said:
Deadreckon said:
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Basically, a retired senior officer ruled out a friends participation in an event because he wasn't "regular" (despite the guy having just returned from H11 and actually still mobilised until mid summer).

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Can you expand on this please?
Yes.

The senior (retired regular) officer, was sick and tired of overweight, wheezy, got dressed in a hurricane slobs pretending they were regular Army to everyone in the pub, and decided to fuck the pretender off at the high port.

Good on him.
 
#18
If I'm in uniform and someone asks what I i'm in I say my regiment. I do not say I'm in the TA. The reason why is because the first time some civilian came back and said "that's like cadets" or "that's not the army" followed by laughing. Most people I Know do not understand the TA whatsoever and does not understand it goes on operations To support the regulars. Funny enough the only guys I Know that understand and support the TA are regulars who have had good experience with them on tour, you still get a touch of banter mind you.
 
#19
the_creature said:
If I'm in uniform and someone asks what I i'm in I say my regiment. I do not say I'm in the TA. The reason why is because the first time some civilian came back and said "that's like cadets" or "that's not the army" followed by laughing.
Snigger
 
#20
spaz said:
the_creature said:
If I'm in uniform and someone asks what I i'm in I say my regiment. I do not say I'm in the TA. The reason why is because the first time some civilian came back and said "that's like cadets" or "that's not the army" followed by laughing.
Snigger
. Yer it's funny and all that but mentioning your in the TA is more like a death wish. Honestly which stabs here admit to joe public their TA.
 

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