One Army Again.....

#1
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Edited after msr shot holes in the original question....
 
#2
Yes - you should have read this post before you pressed submit, as it makes very little sense.

msr
 
#3
The C/Sgts might all be sh1t and him filling the position avoids the nightmare that a poor CSM brings!
 
#5
Yes there are spare WO2s and senior CSgts who had high grades from their last grading boards.
 
#7
They were never offered the post....
 
#8
Perhaps regardless of their grades they were sh1t.

If the current clowns in government have taught me anything its that it is possible to make a turd look good on paper.
 
#9
One of the spare WO2s was an ex regular who had already served on 2 busy tours and had just finished a post as CSM of another company.

The C/Sgt might be shit, but all his grades and recommendations say otherwise and I was under the impression that made the decison?
 
#10
Who knows then.

The last and only thought is that "One Army" is supposed to work both ways.
 
#11
Does the PSI hold both roles?
 
#12
What's the problem?

If our current or former SPSI's demobbed to go TA and ended up back as a C/Sgt or CSM we'd turn cartwheels.

CSM as a regular post in the TA?? Hmmm now there's a thought. Two switched on Cookies liasing with each other and getting it done? Not saying for one second our current CSM isn't up to the role, he is, and beyond it.

But there may be something in this for the future?
 
#13
What a surprise, yet another TA whinging thread…………. :roll: How a unit/sub unit manages its manning hardly deserves a one army headline now does it? This “one army” sketch is getting very boring now.



As a driver on exercise in 1985 I had a TA crew commander…………….etc, etc,
 
#14
TheBigUn said:
What a surprise, yet another TA whinging thread…………. :roll: How a unit/sub unit manages its manning hardly deserves a one army headline now does it? This “one army” sketch is getting very boring now.

As a driver on exercise in 1985 I had a TA crew commander…………….etc, etc,
Unless I've misunderstood the point - the issue is that the Regular PSI - who has his own job-spec - has been tasked with doing the TA CSM role as well. If there are qual bodies who could/should be holding the job thats not a good idea. If the "qual" bodies are actually not up to snuff then thats another kettle of fish, and begs the question as to how they got there in the first place.
 
#15
Closet_Jibber said:
Who knows then.

The last and only thought is that "One Army" is supposed to work both ways.
That reminds me of the good old "two-way street" for trade with the USA. The two-way street was of course a bridle path on one side and an eight lane highway on the other...

I must also point out that the Big 'Un is obviously upset that the TA are whinging about the TA, he no doubt assumed only the Regular Army was allowed that privilege?
 
#16
We had exactly the same issue, the SPSI was tasked to be the BSM (as well as the SPSI) instead of a TA counterpart, the reasoning for this was due to suitability of current TA qualified people, he held the post till a suitable TA soldier was identified and qualified.
 
#17
Hmmm... Disgruntled SNCOs? If any of them are considering voting with their feet, could they PM me, please. I know of a unit that has vacancies for trained personnel, and can re-gruntle them.
 
#18
I know of the opposite happening, where, for a reason that is unknown to me, the post of a PSI could not be filled. It was offered to the CSM, who was TA, but an ex regular (although I don't seem to recall him reaching the rank of WO2 in the regs), did an admirable job, andhas now whisked himself off to one of our Regular Bn's. Sadly he left without a suitable candidate to fill the post, and the Coy is left without a CSM - step forward the SPSI!

VVV - There will be some reason for this that they're not telling, it may only be a stop gap. Maybe it was boarded, but you weren't aware of any of the candidates? Is there any thrusting young CSjt's/WO2's posted out (RTC?) that are due back to the unit in the near future?
 
#19
It's not a TA whinging thread (anyway this was posting in the TA thread so whinging is a perogative), its asking the serious question whether this is appropriate? In answer to some of the questions:

1) Yes he holds both roles.
2) No the post was not boarded or published.
3) No there are no soon to return SNCOs from RTCs but there are spare WO2s and SNCOs from other units available.

The concerning issue is how this will influence up and coming JNCO and SNCOs - what can they aspire to if the top NCO post in the Coy is a Regular? I'm not disputing the guys abilty or lack of, I would dispute his willingness to engage or be bothered about the development of the JNCOs. He'll be gone in 2 years and doesn't know them from adam.

No idea if there are disgruntled SNCOs I'm afraid!
 
#20
ViVictaVis said:
It's not a TA whinging thread (anyway this was posting in the TA thread so whinging is a perogative), its asking the serious question whether this is appropriate? In answer to some of the questions:

1) Yes he holds both roles.
2) No the post was not boarded or published.
3) No there are no soon to return SNCOs from RTCs but there are spare WO2s and SNCOs from other units available.

The concerning issue is how this will influence up and coming JNCO and SNCOs - what can they aspire to if the top NCO post in the Coy is a Regular? I'm not disputing the guys abilty or lack of, I would dispute his willingness to engage or be bothered about the development of the JNCOs. He'll be gone in 2 years and doesn't know them from adam.

No idea if there are disgruntled SNCOs I'm afraid!
My bold - 2 years is long enough to get know the NCOs and to help in their development, short-term and longer-term after he's posted elsewhere. From my experience, the TA and Regular CSMs who i've served under spent the time getting to know the blokes as they knew it would be remiss not to for professional and personal reasons. What reason(s) do you have to think that he would not be the same?

Additionally, you don't state whether this is a temporary measure or not - for a short time (stop-gap) or period you'd class for a posting. Maybe when his time's up his successor will be a TA SNCO.
 

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