On Exercise

#1
When was the last time you went out on exercise and actually did, or train for the job you are supposed to do ?

Being a REMF in an Inf Bn HQ set up the chances for me to do my job tactically are virtually nil, is it just my unit or do others use SDR as an excuse not to deploy in the field but " administer " the exercising troops from hard standing or back in camp ?

1st post and all that.... :lol:
 

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#2
Same sh1t different beret!

I take it you are a clerk? I take it you are a Pte? (apologies, deep humble ones, if I'm wrong). If you can get yourself into one of the Rifle Coys you should have morechance to do some soldier stuff.
 
#3
surely lacrabat's point is that they are unable to do their role, not that they couldn't get muddy if they wanted to? Either way it is an arrsey state of affairs.
 
#4
Ive never done a hosp-ex ever, but I have helped in CAS-CON at one if that counts...
Last exercise I did was FIBUA, but did some first aid on it....

T C
 
#5
being attached to a unit means that you do the jobs that that unit wants/needs you to do, so for you to be doing execises relating to your chosen regiments role you would probably need to be on execise with your chosen regiment. however as part of a cavelry unit i find that we rarely get to do much tank related exercises and instead concentrate on inf jobs due to tanks rarely being used in the sandpit
 
#6
lacrabat has come across a serious issue - if you want to train a unit you have to train at a '1 up' level. This means if you want to train a company, including the OC, CSM, colour boy et al you need to deploy the whole battalion. That way there is a Bn HQ to give the orders and echelons to provide all the gear. If you just deploy the company this chain is not practised and you find people in lacrabat's position - not training.

So what? I hear you cry. In the good old days, when men were men and we all had SLRs, we had brigades with a role with gunners, sappers and yeomanry all doing their thing. The Brig would give orders and everyone would launch themselves into a frenzy of action because the COs knew that it was their opportunity to show how great their battalion was in front of the commander.

A series of cuts later and you're lucky to have a battalion with a machine gun in it, let alone a mortar or milan. The result - our officers get all their knowledge from MK1 or other theory courses and Q parties think that the logistical supply chain is from the QM via Bookers. This lack of knowledge base is a serious flaw in our organisation and leads to problems on mobilisation.
 
#7
Blyth_spirit said:
lacrabat has come across a serious issue - if you want to train a unit you have to train at a '1 up' level. This means if you want to train a company, including the OC, CSM, colour boy et al you need to deploy the whole battalion. That way there is a Bn HQ to give the orders and echelons to provide all the gear. If you just deploy the company this chain is not practised and you find people in lacrabat's position - not training.

So what? I hear you cry. In the good old days, when men were men and we all had SLRs, we had brigades with a role with gunners, sappers and yeomanry all doing their thing. The Brig would give orders and everyone would launch themselves into a frenzy of action because the COs knew that it was their opportunity to show how great their battalion was in front of the commander.
London Distict used to organsie about once every 18 mnths a district wide exercise, where every one would do thier role, the RMP would orgnaise the routes, the infanty would fight, the support units would support.

They used to be boring exercises for the toms, but in terms of admin and the big picture, they had thier uses.

Jennie
 
#8
Jennie said:
London Distict used to organsie about once every 18 mnths a district wide exercise, where every one would do thier role, the RMP would orgnaise the routes, the infanty would fight, the support units would support.

They used to be boring exercises for the toms, but in terms of admin and the big picture, they had thier uses.

Jennie
When did they stop doing that?

T C
 

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#9
The_Cheat said:
Jennie said:
London Distict used to organsie about once every 18 mnths a district wide exercise, where every one would do thier role, the RMP would orgnaise the routes, the infanty would fight, the support units would support.

They used to be boring exercises for the toms, but in terms of admin and the big picture, they had thier uses.

Jennie
When did they stop doing that?

T C
Probably when it got too expensive. :(
 
#10
The last one was in the mid to late 90's Id guess.
 
#16
Jennie said:
The last one was in the mid to late 90's Id guess.
Ex Capital Pursuit? I've got a teeshirt knocking around somewhere. LONDIST all living in luxury whilst everyone else was in camcream. It's at least five years ago, if not earlier.

Not very many locations as I recall - can still remember watching the Yeomanry enemy moving into location across from us, but the orange mine tape that signified them as the enemy also made them invisible.

Can still recall the then 2ic coming back from a briefing, rather amused that where the Brigade staff were all freshly scrubbed, he and a Company Commander from Welsh Guards were taking it far more seriously apparently.

As exercises go, they weren't that bad in all honesty - it was certainly a way for Deputy Commander LONDIST to make sure his train set worked.
 
#17
Legs said:
Same sh1t different beret!

I take it you are a clerk I take it you are a Pte? (apologies, deep humble ones, if I'm wrong). If you can get yourself into one of the Rifle Coys you should have morechance to do some soldier stuff.
I ain't THAT much of a remf and i'm a little further up the food chain than that.. :lol:
 
#18
Blyth_spirit said:
lacrabat has come across a serious issue - if you want to train a unit you have to train at a '1 up' level.
Nearly the entire TA has been designed to train at low levels, if lacrabat is seeing problems then myself being with a '2 up' supprt organisation I'm seeing even more problems (To sum it up we have SNCO's and Officers that don't have a scooby about what job we are mean't to do).
If we are ever called to do our job for real, its gonna be the biggest cluster ever. Hopefully those with experience of Div exervcises of the 90's will help us through.
Alternatively why doesn't someone admit we have several weak Infantry Divisions, that are completely (in theory :lol: ) capable of deploying into the field (BG/Bde HQs anyway). Exercise the regional Bdes as Inf Bdes, command & control problems --- oh yes, logistics problems - yep big style etc but....... no troops bored with CCRF, plenty of lessons learned, shed loads of experience gained .... and CCRF we can do that with our eyes closed
 
#19
Here´s were our TA. troop has the edge , being in a Reg. Sqn. we get the chance on many weekends to use the m3 rigs from the regs and go play on the river , most time´s they go T.U: or get a few bangs , but it gives the reg´s something to do on the monday morning ;-)
 

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