Olympic security chaos: depth of G4S security crisis revealed

#1
Absolutely shocking.

Olympic security chaos: depth of G4S security crisis revealed | Sport | The Guardian

G4S has got a £284m contract to provide 13,700 guards, but only has 4,000 in place. It says a further 9,000 are in the pipeline.
I am all for privatisation of all but essential government services but G4S must be penalised for failing to deliver. I hope the contract they signed with the government has substantial penalty clauses, triggered not only by whether they reach the number of recruits (or should I say, rabble?) but based on the quality of them.

He added: "There were people who couldn't spell their own name. The staff were having to help them. Most people hadn't filled in their application forms correctly. Some didn't know what references were and others said they didn't have anyone who could act as a referee. The G4S people were having to prompt them, saying things like "what about your uncle?"
I know that security types usually aren't the sharpest knife in the block but this is beyond the pale.

A recruit who was interviewed in March and completed training last month, said: "There are people like me that are vetted and trained in security and would be happy to work, but can't. Some of the classes were of around 200 in size with only two trainers accommodating the training for a class of this size.

"I am yet to hear from G4S regarding my screening, accreditation, uniform or even a rough start date. I know many people also who will be commencing work on 27 July who have had absolutely no scheduled on-site training. They are simply being chucked into their role on x-ray machines, public screening areas and even athlete screening areas."
Let's face it: the majority of security people at the Olympics, with training like that, wouldn't know a real bomb if they saw one.
 
#3
Won't happen. It would mean the govt. admitting that the mighty Olympic Ring of Steel consists mainly of resentful dolies and reject trolley-mongs from Tesco.
Get with the ****ing project mate!

Pays to be a team player these days, and if you think it's bad now you wait till the Olympics are over; you're not needed and Dave and Theresa remember all the people who they don't like....
 
#4
Sounds like a quality private sector firm to me. Minimum facilities, training and pay. Maximum profit for the share holders. Shoddy product and service.....The shoddy product and service bit is similar to the results from the public sector.
But the pays worse.
 
#5
Proves the underlying utter incompetence of the Government and Olympic Committee, though. I think if I'd been minister in charge faced with such a blindingly obvious "risk" I'd have compelled G4S to hold inspection parades for their guardforce in each of the weeks leading up to the event - just to get a reality check on who and how many they'd actually recruited and trained.
 
#6
I'd have compelled G4S to hold inspection parades for their guardforce in each of the weeks leading up to the event - just to get a reality check on who and how many they'd actually recruited and trained.
And they'd have cheerfully added another hundred million or so to the bill for doing so.
 
#8
There is no way at all that this situation simply happened. Any major event or project will have a meticulous project plan, which nails down contractors to identified milestones and deliverables. This has been on the radar for ages (especially since the Jubilee disgrace which exposed the shoddy sub-consultants relied upon) but the official position will have been head-in-the-sand, in the full knowledge that the Armed Forces would be called upon last minute. The human impact of this shambles could have been avoided by standard project planning practice, which is to insert an optimism bias to increase the forecast numbers required from the Armed Forces. But G4S would not wish to have done this as it would have impacted on their fee and the government would not have wished to seem incompetent... easier to let it slide, screw over 3,000 Armed Forces personnel (I guess this number will rise again if the unfolding shambles is anything to go by) and blame G4S, who don't really care as long as they get most of their fee, as any penalty fees will be written down and make no difference in overall profitability.

Theresa May is (indirectly) an investor in G4S... she owns Prudential shares and Prudential are the major investor in G4S. May will make money out of not rocking the boat in this case.

That's British politics in 2012. Corrupt and incompetent. MPs should be means-tested on their salary and expenses vs external income (and paid the national minimum wage in most cases) and made to divest all shares upon election.
 

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#9
Did anyone see Newsnight last night with that fat, pudgy bastard complaining that he'd been interviewed six weeks ago but still hadn't been given a job?

He was almost crying.

Call my cynical, but could it be he didn't get a job because, well, he's a fat, pudgy, pie-muncher?

BBC iPlayer - Newsnight: 12/07/2012 - 4min 13 secs.

Also, why is everyone gunning for the government on this one?

Lets say the government had taken all reasonable steps to ensure that they were monitoring G4S to a suitable degree.
Can they be blamed if G4S simply lied to their faces?

"Yeah mate, no bovver, sorted yeah."

Lets switch fire onto those ******* and get their government contracts taken off them. Plenty of other firms willing to step up to the plate, for a lot less too.
 
#10
Pays to be a team player these days, and if you think it's bad now you wait till the Olympics are over; you're not needed and Dave and Theresa remember all the people who they don't like....
You and I have discussed this extensively via PM mate; my view is that post-May 2010 the Tories did a quick bit of Mission Analysis on getting an outright majority in 2015. Gideon Osborne was very much the man in charge of this process and the view that he came up with (and endorsed by bloody Cameron insofar as Cameron bothers to do anything much) is that the public sector was entirely resposnible for the hung parliament; the flaw in this this argument is this - plenty of the electorate have long memories and remember what the Tories were like under both Thatcher and Major and were not inclined to vote for them again. But in the warped view of Gideon, who really does have an intolerance for a point of view other than his own that borders on the pathological, the only way to win in 2015 is to uttely destoy the public sector at whatever apparent cost because then these people will not turn out and vote for Labour (if they ever did). Oh, and don't get me started on the irony of corporate interests like G4S basing their whole business model on securing public sector contracts. The Augean Stables need a thorough cleaning out IMHO.
 
#11
Glad that they're about to issues 8,000 event tickets to the 17,000 blokes deploying. Does each bloke get to watch half an event? Theresa May - she's a ****ing chump, who needs a boot in the arse.
 
#12
Interestingly I read in the Sun this morning that 3,500 soldiers, sailors and airmen, drafted in to bale out G4S, will have to be accomodated in "tents and possibly old warehouses" - surely G4S has sorted billeting for the 3,500 "missing" security guards and that accomodation should now be made avavailable the MOD personnel bailing them out?
 

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#13
surely G4S has sorted billeting for the 3,500 "missing" security guards
If they couldn't manage to hire the numbers required for an event this big with that much notice, I doubt they'd have managed to organise B&B's for them either. :D
 
#15
Interestingly I read in the Sun this morning that 3,500 soldiers, sailors and airmen, drafted in to bale out G4S, will have to be accomodated in "tents and possibly old warehouses" - surely G4S has sorted billeting for the 3,500 "missing" security guards and that accomodation should now be made avavailable the MOD personnel bailing them out?
G4S couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, let alone accommodation for 3,500 blokes. They could do with a decent QM's dept to sort them out.
 
#17
...............................................................Lets switch fire onto those ******* and get their government contracts taken off them. Plenty of other firms willing to step up to the plate, for a lot less too.
G4S seem to be the company of choice?
Luckily they have always got it right before. This is, after all, their first cock up.
(Wackenhut anyone?)
 
#18
Get with the ****ing project mate!

Pays to be a team player these days, and if you think it's bad now you wait till the Olympics are over; you're not needed and Dave and Theresa remember all the people who they don't like....
Indeed. There was a BBC report a few months back, IIRC, stating that cuts to MI5's budget had been put on hold during the run up to the Olympics. After the Games are finished, it's open season. Further cuts to both the police and the security services.

Were I a cynic - Heaven forfend!:twisted: - I might regard the police and MI5 as victims of their own success. After all, it's been seven years since the last(and only)attack by Islamic terrorists in the UK itself. And four years since they came close to a spectacular, with the plot to blow up 'planes in midair using liquid explosives. Since then it's been Mongs setting their bollocks on fire while trying to detonate y-front bombs. Or a few idiots trying to start a ruck with their opposite numbers in the EDL.

As far as the gub'mint is concerned, there is no longer a clear and present danger, so it's safe to start cutting the budgets.

For the sake of the nation, it's just as well I'm too dumb, ugly, lazy, cowardly, white and hetrosexual to join the Security Service. Because if I was in a senior position within that organisation, right now I'd be strongly tempted to pull in the most rabid Jihadi-walts I could find and have a quiet conversation with them...

"Right, gentlemen: the Olympics are about to start, and it's my job to make sure you lot do nothing to ruin it! So on no account are you to steal that large van across the road - no, the white one with the doors unlocked and the keys in it. Because that van is full of weapons, ammo, body armour, grenades - did you chaps enjoy that little, ahem, "holiday" I arranged for you in Pakistan? Marvelous! - police, Army and G4S uniforms along with full details of all security procedures in place for the Games. Oh, and one large Dirty Bomb we bought from the Russian Mafia.

I'm sure you understand the kind of damage all that stuff could do if it got into the wrong hands. Which is why I'm afraid I must insist you promise not to steal it. I know you're all good eggs, so if you all just give me your word as gentlemen, I'll be on my way. Rather quickly, in fact...:muhaha:"
 
#19
I spy a band wagon, with not a lot of room on it.

I predict that when the dust has settled and the realpolitik has become apparent, that G4S won't look quite as much to blame as they gibbons in the commons are currently painting them.

An examination of the contractual detail may discover that LOCOG refused to pay to have 3,500 staff employed doing nothing for 2 weeks prior to the games and insisted that paid work only started immediately before the games for that tranche. Thus, at this point, no-one knows how many will turn up on the day from the 140% booked to show (in case of the no shows that minimum wage employees tend to evidence).
And, no, I don't work for either party; but, I have asked about the other side of the argument from sources. They may be selling me a line, but currently the vitriol being espoused by the likes of Vaz (well known for his corporate experience and commercial acumen) is typically short on reasoned fact and long on politics.

Enjoy the trip on the outrage bus - as usual you would do well to see who your co-travellers are before you congratulate yourself on joining the band.
 
#20
Have a watch of the vid below;

G4S Called Into The Home Office Following Ben Fellows' Appearance On UK Column Live | UK Column

According to the BBC, former retired British Army infantry commander Colonel Richard Kemp said the timing of the announcement was "bizarre".

It does not seem bizarre to the UK Column, however, as it was clear from our conversations with G4S over the last couple of weeks that they were more concerned about keeping Ben Fellows' allegations quiet than the allegations themselves. G4S' media team claimed that his allegations were 99% false, and that the UK Column should be very careful about publicising them.

To date however, and despite numerous telephone calls, G4s have refused to make any formal comment about Fellows' allegations, and have so far not taken up our offer to join us on UK Column Live for a right of reply.

Ben Fellows' is an investigative journalist specialising in undercover work. His CV includes work for the Cook Report. He went undercover to persue his "Olympic dream" as G4S likes to call it, to become a member of the security team. However, he soon discovered a host of failings in the training. His allegation include:
Security officers only receive 4 days training in total
Uniforms going missing
Photos takes on secure areas
Foreign troops deployed through Woolwich Baracks
Security scanners turned off at peak times
No proper training for x-ray scanners
Experienced and trained ex-military personnel not made team leaders, preferring to give the role to inexperienced trainees
No training given in the evacuation proceedure for the stadium, but were told that they will be involved in the evacuation of London



The G4S contract is worth £535 million.
 

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