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Old Toys and New Toys.

#2
Most Old Old sweats will rememer Charlie Gs as being bloody heavy...they were phased out with the development of the 94mm (10mm larger warhead, logistically easier etc). However as the blurb says the new ammo varieties have given a new lease of life...read somewhere that US Rangers had adopted this system for bunkerbusting and light anti-armour tasks....apparently theres even a flechette round! Soft launch AT4 been around a while...don't know if its combat proven. A lot of these lightweight systems won't guarantee MBT KKills...which beggars the question of lugging them around the place as v expensive bunker busters or overkill for BMP types. Dunno if they have dive attack or tandem warheads - if so then more attractive.
 

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#3
I've used both the old and new Charlie-G. The main difference being the addition of a STANAG Picatinny sight rail, and that the new one is made of carbon fibre as opposed to lead-lined, concrete-reinforced, cast iron drainpipe. It's only half the weight of it's predecessor, thus the saving on your back/knees is immense. Or possibly, "now it's lighter the lads can carry even more rds for it......"

Tried the AT-4 CS a few times as well, though not actually inside a confined space. I might look dim but there are limits. It's just an even lighter Charlie-G, in a throwaway version. The round is the same as the AT one for it's older brother. I did think that it was quieter than - no, make that not as loud as - the reloadable 84mm. A bit easier to carry than the 94mm too.
 
#5
As I remember it, carrying the old Charlie G had its benefits.
Always got you to the front of those inexplicable, middle-of-nowhere, three-abreast queues that one used to find in Brecon.
"GUNS TO THE FRONT, DOUBLEAWAYYYMOOVE!"
 
#6
Have just found an article in "Militær Teknikk". It shows a picture of two Toms using the NLAW in an OBUA village. So someone somewhere has used one or played with one.

When a dismounted soldier is equipped with the NLAW, he is given the power to destroy the most advanced MBT, whereever and whenever it appears.
 
#9
fired the LAW94 and LAW66. not had the pleasure with the CG and i read the LAW94 was ditched because of warheads blowing before launch.

I also read the new NLAW has a improved kill capability and attacks from above?

Rincewind
 
#10
Capt Cheeky said:
Wombat.... what the feck is that apart from an antipodean animal!

I've gathered it's some sort of Anti Tank weapon... any more info or piccies ?
it was a BAT battallion ant-tank weapon, normally seen towed behind the old 1 tonne rovers many years ago, light easy to operate only trouble was range capability, i didn't really want to be a km away max to be engaging tanks :wink:

try this link http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/b-weapons.htm#wombat
 

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#11
canteen_cowboy said:
Capt Cheeky said:
Wombat.... what the feck is that apart from an antipodean animal!

I've gathered it's some sort of Anti Tank weapon... any more info or piccies ?
it was a BAT battallion ant-tank weapon, normally seen towed behind the old 1 tonne rovers many years ago, light easy to operate only trouble was range capability, i didn't really want to be a km away max to be engaging tanks :wink:

try this link http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/b-weapons.htm#wombat

But Canteen-Cowboy, it did have the most satisfying sound !
Told everyone, including Ivan, that the AT boys were lightening the load.
(Can sounds be cuddly ? If so the Wombat definitely comes top of the list.)
 
#14
I seem to recall that the Paras brought their wombats to the Falklands, but they were never offloaded from Canberra and returned to UK in exactly the same spot aboard the ship as they had been loaded in...
 
#16
AH the WOMBAT ,

Replacing the BAT or Battalion Anti tank weapon . a 120mm recoillless weapon , utalising the ventri effect.

The Weapon Of Magnesium, Battalion Anti-Tank - same as the BAT but without the frontal shield.

120mm main round (HESH) with a .5 inch spotting round.Of its day a fine weapon.

Best seen in action was in the TV show in the early 1990ies. called Soldier or something.

Several teams made up of either Guards, LI, Green Jackets, Paras, Angle Irons and the rest.

Anyway , they all had a recruting show, sorry , a competition .
Showing who was the best of the best.

one of the tasks was, as I recall...

Taking a WOMBAT the light weight (308Kg) anti-tank weapon over an assault course. Not a normal assault course but one with a track - so it was easier to push along, only thing was . One of the obsticals was a ramp of 58 degrees. No problem except.....

The TV producers had some boffin calculate that it was impossiable to push/lift a WOMBAT over a 57 degree ramp.

All the teams failed except the....Paras. they lifted the fuc*ing thig over...again ...impossiable.

fukcing great TV.
 
#17
AH the WOMBAT ,

Replacing the BAT or Battalion Anti tank weapon . a 120mm recoillless weapon , utalising the ventri effect.

The Weapon Of Magnesium, Battalion Anti-Tank - same as the BAT but without the frontal shield.

120mm main round (HESH) with a .5 inch spotting round.Of its day a fine weapon.

Best seen in action was in the TV show in the early 1990ies. called Soldier or something.

Several teams made up of either Guards, LI, Green Jackets, Paras, Angle Irons and the rest.

Anyway , they all had a recruting show, sorry , a competition .
Showing who was the best of the best.

one of the tasks was, as I recall...

Taking a WOMBAT the light weight (308Kg) anti-tank weapon over an assault course. Not a normal assault course but one with a track - so it was easier to push along, only thing was . One of the obsticals was a ramp of 58 degrees. No problem except.....

The TV producers had some boffin calculate that it was impossiable to push/lift a WOMBAT over a 57 degree ramp.

All the teams failed except the....Paras. they lifted the fuc*ing thig over...again ...impossiable.

fukcing great TV.
 
#18
84mm MAW. aka Carl Gustav. Seemed like a neat bit of kit back in 1966 when we exchanged our 3.5RLs for it. Damned heavy to lug around. It fired a HEAT round, illum and anti-personnel. Back blast was a nuisance, burned the pants off many a soldier who forgot to lie at right angles to it.

The WOMBAT, the successor to the CONBAT, weighed 650lbs and unlike its 1700 lb predecessor was mounted on a portee (long wheel base Land Rover) veh' not towed.
It was extremely accurate had a .5" spotting gun mounted.

It was also responsible for deafening, to some degree, most soldiers who crewed it. How weel a ken!

Incidentally I think the USMC were issued the Charlie G at one time.
The US equivelant of WOMBAT was the jeep mounted 105mm recoiless gun, inferior to WOMBAT.
 
#19
THE WOMBAT HAD A 120 HESH ROUND THAT ONLY HAD TO SKIM THE TARGET, THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE WOULD FALL APART DUE TO THE SHOCK WAVE.
IT WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR RANGING GUN THUMB AND SINGED EYE BROWS :lol:
I WONDER IF THE TWO MASI WHO WOULD NOT MOVE AWAY FROM THE BACKBLAST WHEN ASKED REPEATEDLY, EVER CLAIMED :twisted:

I REMEMBER AFTER THE DUST SETTALD ONCE THE MAIN ARMMERMENT WAS FIRED THESE TWO GUYS PICKING THEM SELF UP THEIR RED ROBES AND GREEN ARMY DIP DAPS (LION CARVING) :oops: HAD BEEN COMPLEATLY BLASTED OFF THEM AND THE TWO OF THEM LEGGING IT OFF INTO THE BUSH
STARKERS :twisted:
OH HAPPY DAYS
 
#20
Escape-from-PPRuNe said:
I seem to recall that the Paras brought their wombats to the Falklands, but they were never offloaded from Canberra and returned to UK in exactly the same spot aboard the ship as they had been loaded in...
I seem to remember they were offloaded briefly at Ascension Island on the way south to allow the Toms to fire a few live rounds instead of the 'dry' drills on board the great White Whale. Lack of helo-lift and the Flaklands' terrain made them impracticable to transport across country, but they would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than the Milan rounds used for bunker-busting.
 

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