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Grumblegrunt

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rampant

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Plus it's Lewis Page who has some rather strong, ah... personal views on defence issues shall we say. Now it could very well of happened but I'll be waiting for a slightly better source before I put much faith in it.
 

rampant

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Plus it's Lewis Page who has some rather strong, ah... personal views on defence issues shall we say. Now it could very well of happened but I'll be waiting for a slightly better source before I put much faith in it.
I know, I only read the first part then went back to read the second "analysis", talk about a lot of speculation and assumptions.
 
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Most concerning news - not.

Buccaneers always won Red Flag, the US Army team always won the Canadian Army Trophy and nobody ever won the Cambrian Patrol competition by cheating...yada-yada!
 
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The way I read that was, the typhoon pilots training was "at fault" more than the aircraft design. Of course a pilot trained in "dogfighting" is going to have the upper hand in older aircraft against a pilot who hasn't undergone the same training and in fact has a different role in air combat. Wonder what the outcome was at beyond visual range combat?
 
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One tiny point...

According to the offical website for Ex Anatolian Eagle, The PAF has attended the following iterations of Ex AE:

AE04/ 3; AE06/2; AE07/2 and AE08/4

The only one of these the crabs have attended has been AE07/2.

At that AE, the crabs sent... 14 Squadron. Which flies - sorry, flew - the Tornado GR4.

The first Typhoons to attend Ex AE went in 2009.

So the PAF F-16 drivers achieved these impressive WVR kills against Typhoons which weren't there.

Apart from that slight problem with the story, I can't see any BS associated with the tale there at all.

 

rampant

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Over on PPRUNE its been comprehensively demolished as a story - about as likely as Lewis Page coming up with something factual for once...
 
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Rampant - a good point, and it'll be interesting to see what emerges. The Ex doesn't kick off until Monday, though.

(As an aside, one of the PAF's F-16 drivers was over here at Shrivenham a few years ago, and expressed the hope that they'd eventually be considered good enough boys to be able to get their hands on Typhoon. He'd somehow blagged a ride in one of the 29 Sqn two seaters and wanted to take it home with him)
 
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Most concerning news - not.

Buccaneers always won Red Flag, the US Army team always won the Canadian Army Trophy and nobody ever won the Cambrian Patrol competition by cheating...yada-yada!
only the winners cheat (loosers weep)
 

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