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Discussion in 'Infantry' started by Firstshirt, Dec 26, 2005.

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  1. Met a Colour Sargeant many years ago. I am interested to know exactly what a Colour Sargeants duties are/and if they still are used in the British Army? Your help would be appreciated.
  2. I'm probably going to be corrected on many fronts - that's the whole point of this forum I suppose.

    Colour Sergeant/sarjeant is not a rank, it is an appointment. The rank is Staff Sergeant. Within Infantry battalions, they are referred to as CSgt, amongst everyone else they are referred to as Staff Sergeant (SSgt).

    - as a matter of interest, there are two spellings - sergeant and sarjeant. I believe that sarjeant is a Light Infantry/Green Jackets spelling, also used at RMA Sandhurst (although I am not too sure why.)

    In an infantry battalion, a CSgt will primarily be the Company Quartermaster Sgt (CQMS) - the storeman for a Comapny - around 100 men. He could also be the 2i/c for a specialist platoon - eg Signals, Anti Tank, Mortar - where more experience is required.

    Units such as RE, RA have troop Staff Sergeants - they act as the second in command of a troop (platoon).

    At RMA Sandhurst platoons have a CSgt as their main focal/instrucional point.
  3. Serjeant, I believe it is spelt.

    God bless them.
  4. I believe their role in the good old days was to act a protection for the Regimental Standard or Colour.
  5. If you go along this line even a corporal in the Guards seems to be called Sergeant.
  6. From a bit of crafty Googling:

    The pre-war infantry rank of Colour Sergeant had generally given way to the ranks of company sergeant-major and quartermaster-sergeant in 1914 when the four-company organisation was introduced. Both of these ranks, their squadron and battery equivalents, and staff-sergeants in other arms, wore three chevrons and a crown, although in 1915 company, battery, squadron and troop sergeant-majors became warrant officers class II (by Army Order 70) and thereafter wore a single large crown, without any chevrons, on each forearm.

    The spelling serjeant is sometimes seen. This was in fact the official spelling, even during and after World War I – though interestingly not in the Royal Air Force – and appeared in such publications as King's Regulations and the Pay Warrant, which defined the various ranks. In common usage the modern spelling sergeant was already more usual, as for instance in the volumes of the Official History which began to appear in the 1920s. Up until the 1920s, it was spelled "serjeant," but the modern spelling gradually took over in the years leading up to and during World War II. Serjeant-at-Arms is a title still held by members of the security staff in the Houses of Parliament.

    Up until the 1920s, it was spelled "serjeant," but the modern spelling gradually took over in the years leading up to and during World War II.
  7. Aren't MFCs and FAC's usually Colours as well? Can anyone shed any light on FOOs and Naval gunfire observers?

  8. MFCs are usually Cpls or Sgts, FOOs are Lt/Capt, as are NGLO
  9. Colour Sergeant is a rank in Infantry Regiments. Some appointments are rank ranged as C/Sgt ie: Recce 2 i/c, CQMS etc. The equivalent in the corps are Staff Sergeants.
  11. Colour Sergeant (or Staff Sergeant) in the British Army ranks above Sergeant (E7 US equivelant) and should not be confused with the rank of Staff Sergeant (E6) in the US Army.