Old MTP

#3
Old deserts are no longer uniform and is all to be handed back, MTP will soon be the same. PCS is being rolled out throughout and will replace all other types of combats.
 
#6
They want all MTP shirts, jackets and trousers from us but not UBACS. We cant give back C95 due to possibility of getting posted to a unit that has not got PCS yet.

**** knows why they wont take deserts though, Ive for two bloody MFO boxes of the stuff.
 
#8
It is not as though they get a wonderful price for it when they sell it as government Surplus?

MoD should open their own retail store, called Military Outfitters or similar.
 
#10
Yep all being burned apparently and deserts. yet another complete waste of money by the MOD
Its ******* stupid. im only gonna hand in a shirt, jacket and trouser. im keeping the rest for when we play soldiers. They can bill me for the rest.

Might rip the lot in half and claim its two sets.

It also doesn't help that we have a Civvi who works in the clothing store.
 
#11
Open up clothing stores in a similar fashion as the Yanks/open 'amazon' style website on DII, increase wages by, say, £500/dependant on holdings a year (bin the mess dress payment in the process) jobs a good one. Initial issue is free, then up keep is the soldier responsibility.

Soldier 'purchases' equipment, it is mailed to him/given to him in store and he bins/sells the old stuff. Job jobbed. Much cheaper than the current set up.

Helmet, body armour and resi would probably be the only thing 'on flick' to worry about. With specialist equipment issued as and when (ie snow whites or pco kit). Anything 'next to skin' is given out on a one off basis, with upkeep the responsibility of the soldier/officer. Of course, if you haven't been ssued arctic gauntlets but fancy them for those night shifts on SPTA then they are available to be purchased.

Might decrease the 'power' of the storeman/QM dept though.
 

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#12
Open up clothing stores in a similar fashion as the Yanks/open 'amazon' style website on DII, increase wages by, say, £500/dependant on holdings a year (bin the mess dress payment in the process) jobs a good one. Initial issue is free, then up keep is the soldier responsibility.

Soldier 'purchases' equipment, it is mailed to him/given to him in store and he bins/sells the old stuff. Job jobbed. Much cheaper than the current set up.

Helmet, body armour and resi would probably be the only thing 'on flick' to worry about. With specialist equipment issued as and when (ie snow whites or pco kit). Anything 'next to skin' is given out on a one off basis, with upkeep the responsibility of the soldier/officer. Of course, if you haven't been ssued arctic gauntlets but fancy them for those night shifts on SPTA then they are available to be purchased.

Might decrease the 'power' of the storeman/QM dept though.
The only problem with that is that it would unfairly impact on those who wear their kit out quicker than others. Infantrymen probably go through a lot more stuff than SPS types or Staff Officers. I do think that it should be easier to buy stuff from stores. If you want a spare smock or Arctic mitts it would be a win win for the MoD to sell them to you. You'd get them cheaper than buying them through commercial channels and the MoD would be able to buy more of them thus increasing it's bulk order discounts.
 
#14
The only problem with that is that it would unfairly impact on those who wear their kit out quicker than others. Infantrymen probably go through a lot more stuff than SPS types or Staff Officers. I do think that it should be easier to buy stuff from stores. If you want a spare smock or Arctic mitts it would be a win win for the MoD to sell them to you. You'd get them cheaper than buying them through commercial channels and the MoD would be able to buy more of them thus increasing it's bulk order discounts.
The £500 figure could take that in to account... I wont say 'infantry', but a soldier in an office could be a 'usage 5' and a leaf and rabbit eating/live in a ditch soldier could be a 'usage 1' with levels in between.

Using survival aids as a guide price FAD complete is £100 (not discounted) so your desk bound ACIO/non deploying Staff type could easily get by on £100 a year. Assuming a life span of 3 years for the FAD and associated bits and bobs.

Usage 5 could be based on the assumption that 50% of combat dress would need to replaced on a quarterly basis. (SA does complete CS 95 rig of trousers, tshirt, shirt and smock for £85) so figure £700 notes.

Nasty work bonuses could be raised to include the chances that the kit worn would need to be destroyed or wear out quicker. And with a SQMS chitty the RAO could pay out a 're-fit' payment to replace equipment destroyed or worn out through work use.

Couple on to that, soldiers would start looking after kit, and if waist lines start expanding it wont be the MoD footing the bill for new clothes.
 
#15
The £500 figure could take that in to account... I wont say 'infantry', but a soldier in an office could be a 'usage 5' and a leaf and rabbit eating/live in a ditch soldier could be a 'usage 1' with levels in between.

Using survival aids as a guide price FAD complete is £100 (not discounted) so your desk bound ACIO/non deploying Staff type could easily get by on £100 a year. Assuming a life span of 3 years for the FAD and associated bits and bobs.

Usage 5 could be based on the assumption that 50% of combat dress would need to replaced on a quarterly basis. (SA does complete CS 95 rig of trousers, tshirt, shirt and smock for £85) so figure £700 notes.

Nasty work bonuses could be raised to include the chances that the kit worn would need to be destroyed or wear out quicker. And with a SQMS chitty the RAO could pay out a 're-fit' payment to replace equipment destroyed or worn out through work use.

Couple on to that, soldiers would start looking after kit, and if waist lines start expanding it wont be the MoD footing the bill for new clothes.
Havn't we tried this idea with PAYD...............and look how that's turned out!

So we will have half starved soldiers how look like a bag of sh1t because they can't "afford" to feed or clothe themselves.
 
#16
I burnt all mine before flying out the FOB. Good luck trying to get that back!
 
#17
Havn't we tried this idea with PAYD...............and look how that's turned out!

So we will have half starved soldiers how look like a bag of sh1t because they can't "afford" to feed or clothe themselves.
I don't know of any half starved soldiers. it was a risk at the beginning, and I think there were a few 'hungry soldiers' at the start... but now this scheme has been in for what, 5 or 6 years across teh board? there are many soldiers who can't even remember the monthly food charge. Give it five years and no one will beleive you had to go to the clothing store, wrestle the clothing storeman in mortal combat and then find there was no kit in in your size.
 
#18
And they'll think your taking the p1ss when you tell them of the 'last jumper' that had to stay on the shelf 'in case someone needed it'.
 
#19
I havn't been to a unit yet that didn't have a significant proportion of troops who could not manage their food budget..............but let's not hijack the thread.

If you are reliant on people paying for their uniform upkeep, you are going to have a hell of a job to produce a group of soldiers all dressed in the same uniform, because soemone will always want to wear what another unit wears such as para smocks, windproof trousers etc.

Not saying that it is easy at the moment, but there is no excuse becuse the issue kit is free.
 

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