Old codgers re/living their youthful dreams

#1
Is a load of coffin-dodgers what the TA needs right now? Or should we just be grateful for anyone we can get?

I know they come with 'life experience' but surely in this Inf lead world what we need is youth?
 

elovabloke

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#2
cynical_stab said:
I know they come with 'life experience' but surely in this Inf lead world what we need is youth?
Things have a habit of changing very quickly.
 
#3
Would you prefer a empty, gapped post or a post filled by an oldie?
 

RP578

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#4
cynical_stab said:
Is a load of coffin-dodgers what the TA needs right now? Or should we just be grateful for anyone we can get?

I know they come with 'life experience' but surely in this Inf lead world what we need is youth?
If they can physically do the job then why not? The working life in the Infantry for an older entrant is likely to be considerably shorter, but there's nothing to stop them from re-trading when they can't hack it any more.

I'm 37 and run a PFT in 10 mins dead, but I also know that my knees and back won't last many more years and I'll probably hang my boots up when I hit 40. The cumulative effect of all that tabbing is the reason that I knock back Cod Liver Oil capsules, Glucosamine Sulphate pills and Ibuprofen the same way that the youngsters knock back Haribo!
 
#6
Perhaps, we should judge people on the skills they provide and not on age. It must be nice to have a role in the army where the first thing you worry about, when in need of a support, is the persons age.
 
#7
Cynical - to what exactly are you referring?

Be specific about your point and you may get some sensible answers.
 
#9
The TA has always had an older age profile than the regulars. It has always been one of the strengths that it has a more mature profile.

If people can meet the physical tests why not enlist them? They probably have as much to offer than some nineteen year old.

So it hurts -thats his problem, if he's back next week well done him.
 
#10
And how old are you exactly cynical_stab?

35-45 can seem pretty old when your only 19-25, but the bottom line as stated above is if you can hack it then your in.

Youll find us older types whine a lot less....
 

RP578

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#11
cynical_stab said:
Old Codgerdom approx 40:
RP578 said:
I'm 37 and run a PFT in 10 mins dead, but I also know that my knees and back won't last many more years and I'll probably hang my boots up when I hit 40.
In fairness that was a reference to my own situation as a JNCO in the Infantry with a few years worth of mileage on my my knees already. A fit 43 year old joining a Corps can easily manage the annual requirements.

As an aside, I will add that having instructed on a variety of recruit training and selection cadres, as a rule the Oldies generally out-perform the youngsters in the physical tests as a group. I don't know why this is, perhaps the mentality/attitude/character of someone joining the TA later in life is more likely to be a fitter person on average?
 
#13
Well, not to kiss a$$ too much, but maybe lots of people are really proud and impressed by what the Army is doing right now, and want to be a part of it. Dr. Johnson had a quote about that, I believe.

If some daft sod of a 37-year old wants to join up and do a single tour before going home to nurse his knees, then good on him, I say. It's one less youthful adonis in harm's way.
 
#14
angular said:
Well, not to kiss a$$ too much, but maybe lots of people are really proud and impressed by what the Army is doing right now, and want to be a part of it. Dr. Johnson had a quote about that, I believe.

If some daft sod of a 37-year old wants to join up and do a single tour before going home to nurse his knees, then good on him, I say. It's one less youthful adonis in harm's way.
"Every man thinks meanly of himself for never having been a soldier." :wink:
 
#15
angular said:
Well, not to kiss a$$ too much, but maybe lots of people are really proud and impressed by what the Army is doing right now, and want to be a part of it. Dr. Johnson had a quote about that, I believe.

If some daft sod of a 37-year old wants to join up and do a single tour before going home to nurse his knees, then good on him, I say. It's one less youthful adonis in harm's way.
Even dafter sod of a 43-year old here! :)
 
#16
Daft question I know but I take it there's no chance for us 44 year olds then :)

I could do with getting some space away from the missus for a while!

I'm still reasonably fit (and can get fitter), I can shoot and will quite happily stag on and do what I'm told!
 
#17
Swiss_Toni said:
Daft question I know but I take it there's no chance for us 44 year olds then :)

I could do with getting some space away from the missus for a while!

I'm still reasonably fit (and can get fitter), I can shoot and will quite happily stag on and do what I'm told!
No*. Take up fishing**.

msr

* Unless you have prior mil service.
** Or join the RAF Aux
 
#18
msr said:
Swiss_Toni said:
Daft question I know but I take it there's no chance for us 44 year olds then :)

I could do with getting some space away from the missus for a while!

I'm still reasonably fit (and can get fitter), I can shoot and will quite happily stag on and do what I'm told!
No*. Take up fishing**.

msr

* Unless you have prior mil service.
** Or join the RAF Aux
I suspected that would be the reply :) My days as a STAB infantryman were rather a long time ago
 
#19
Swiss_Toni said:
Daft question I know but I take it there's no chance for us 44 year olds then :)

I could do with getting some space away from the missus for a while!

I'm still reasonably fit (and can get fitter), I can shoot and will quite happily stag on and do what I'm told!
The Army won't touch you. Or rather, some regiments will, but then some desk-wallah at Land Command will tell them to tell you to bugger off (Usually after you've done a couple of months of your Recruits course)!

Check out the RAuxAF. They're considerably more enlightened.
 
#20
JohnJorrocksMFH said:
The Army won't touch you. Or rather, some regiments will, but then some desk-wallah at Land Command will tell them to tell you to bugger off (Usually after you've done a couple of months of your Recruits course)!

Check out the RAuxAF. They're considerably more enlightened.
Desperate more like ;)
 

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