OK, whats with the EOTechs on the L85s Im seeing?

#1
Watching a Youtube video from Afghanistan, and noted a few new toys on the rifles. I'm trying to figure out the point of the Holosights mounted far forward on the rifles, which already have what looks like an ACOG (Not a SUSAT) mounted on them.

It's also apparently mounted at a bizarre angle, the initial indication appears to be that it's being used as a sighting system for the underslung grenade launcher. This makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, the EOTech is a great sight, I paid good money for my one and it served me well, but using a $500 CQB point sight on an area effect weapon? If it truly is for a grenade, what's wrong with the old fashioned iron sight which will at least estimate range for you?

Edumacate me.

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#3
The Army have shelled out for a load of ACOG's (Yes, Really), and they are now being issued to fellas heading to the sandpit.

Im not sure what the sight was at the front of the rifle, as far as im aware the standard UGL sights are still used...
 

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#7
Majorpain said:
By the way... it didnt look like this did it?

You been at Milipol? :D

It matters not where along the weapon the Holosight is fitted as you can still see the reticle - with both eyes open of course. It would make sense for a number of reasons.

1. Easy snap shooting at closer ranges.
2. Better target area visibility, rather than just what you can see through SUSAT (lowsy field of view)
3. Handy for UGL
4. You can snap on a reticle-free night-sight without zero issues.
 
#8
I could be having a blonde moment here, but I cant figure out how the holosight works for the UGL? is it used in conjunction with the rear sight?
 
#9
It has a reticle pattern derived from the 'less-lethal' shotgun version of the Eotech, which is obviously graduated for the range/drop of the UGL rounds. It is not used for sighting the rifle itself, only the UGL.

It is mounted to the side of the rifle where the iron sight on the UGL was previously, and so does not interfere with cleaning the gas parts.
 

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#10
FFBox said:
I could be having a blonde moment here, but I cant figure out how the holosight works for the UGL? is it used in conjunction with the rear sight?
It certainly can be. Being a 'holographic sight' you don't have to look down the centre of a scope tube. It's a flat screen, and if you angle it off to one side, or high/low, the reticle moves to the corner of the screen, but you can still see it, and it's still zeroed, unlike the problems you might get doing the same with a tube-sight.

The only way the UGL would work with the holosight at night hovewever is by looking through the 'tube' of the NV device, so the holographic benefits disappear, although you can still do it after changing the holosight zero for the greater elevation required for launching. You DON'T have a reticle in the NV sight, so you only have to re-zero one device (or simply click up, or for that matter, use a specialised UGL aim-points on the holosight reticle) to fire grenades.

This is just logical supposition on my part of course - I sell NV devices, and I sell Eotech, but I've not used them in this scenario. One doesn't throw grenades at deer or rabbits. :D
 
#13
The sight is the EoTech and it was mounted that far forward becase at the time there was no quadrant sight that could be fitted to the ACOG that would give the angle of elevation needed to fire the UGL. Also a small reflex sight fitted at the muzzel end was to small for the firer to get visibility of the red dot.
 
#14
BigRed99 said:
It has a reticle pattern derived from the 'less-lethal' shotgun version of the Eotech, which is obviously graduated for the range/drop of the UGL rounds.
That makes a lot of sense. I have never seen a graduated EOTech reticle before, didn't know one existed. Still think it's a bit pricey for what it does, though.

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#17
It does seem a hell of a lot of bother to replace a perfectly good flip-up iron site for the UGL. Maybe somebody thought I would make the weapon heavier and more cumbersome so they ordered them fitted, I can't think of any other reason for replacing the iron site.
 
#20
ugly said:
A lot less than a gimpy though!
A lot less use than a gimpy I would venture too!

Which would you rather have shooting you in on an assault?

I can see the use for UGL for sure but that rig seems to have got a bit out of hand!
 
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