Oh what a suprise.Gove to increase car tax again....

#1
Looks like Cyclops & the Liebour party are to increase car tax again,affecting over 55% of the population;

More road tax increases.

An estimated nine million motorists will have to pay more road tax under reforms aimed at punishing gas-guzzling vehicles, the government has admitted.

Official estimates say vehicle excise duty will rise for 44% of vehicles - by up to £245 for the most polluting ones - but will fall for 33%.

The AA said the figures "confirm our worst fears", while the Tories said the PM had misled parliament over the plan.

But ministers insist the aim is to cut pollution, not raise revenue.

'Bad name'

The estimates, which were revealed for the first time in a parliamentary answer by Treasury minister Angela Eagle, are likely to reignite the row over road tax changes, which have attracted fierce criticism from Labour MPs.

The government has already had to offer concessions to its backbenchers after criticism that poorer motorists will be hit harder by the decision to apply the new rates to all cars registered since 2001.
Shadow chancellor George Osborne seized on Gordon Brown's earlier claims that the majority of drivers would benefit from the reforms.

Mr Osborne said: "This destroys the government's defence that this is a green tax and in general gives green taxes a bad name."

"We need the prime minister to tell us whether he knew that he was giving parliament the wrong information and was treating the public like fools, or was it the case that he didn't know the truth about the impact of his own Budget on families?"

AA President Edmund King said the changes were "politically dangerous" with high petrol prices already pushing up the cost of motoring.

"This is not a green tax but a mean tax that will hit millions of hard-up families," he said.
Somehow I dont think it'll deter the arrseholes in government driving their gas guzzling jags ect,do you?
Spike
 
#2
I won't be voting for Brown, thats for sure, green tax my arse :x
 
#3
Band wagon.... the green cloak of deceit... just another sh!t-gripper from the pompous arrses that dare call themselves the people's government.... fcukers!

(I'll go and have my tablets now...)
 
#4
Like the fuel tax we pay, it's too easy a source of money for the government.

I wish I could believe that the Conservatives would drop the plans
for higher VED and reduce the tax on fuel when they replace this present lot but I doubt it will happen.

We huff and puff- me included- about car related taxes but in the end continue to pay up because there is no way not to.
 
#5
Think Clarkson hit it on the head. It's not going to encourage people to change cars; if you've got a gas-guzzler which is expensive, no fcuker else is going to buy it off you because it'll cost them too much! So you've got a load of people who are stuck with a car that they can't get rid of, and getting taxed to the hilt!

An ill thought out, short term quick-fix (again) by Liarbore.
 
#6
the government pi$$ed away billions on the northern rock fiasco. we (the tax payers, especially the motorist) are going to be raped for money for a good few years yet.
 
#7
Green tax, environment tax etc etc, all bollux. As I've stated before, I'll believe it when I see polar bears being helped with the money.

A waste of time anyway, if you can afford to buy (and fuel!) a V8 Range Rover an extra couple of hundred pounds a year in tax is unlikely to bother you
 
#8
REgards said:
A waste of time anyway, if you can afford to buy (and fuel!) a V8 Range Rover an extra couple of hundred pounds a year in tax is unlikely to bother you
There are plenty of people who work in rural areas on low wages or low business income who have a genuine need for 4x4s. But there aren't many votes for Labour outsde the cities, so they're not bothered in the slightest by this.
 

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#9
How many straws will it take to break the camel's back? The UK camel has got to be the hardest fcuking camel I've ever seen, but all the same, this gobment is going to cripple it.
 
#10
VMechA said:
Band wagon.... the green cloak of deceit... just another sh!t-gripper from the pompous arrses that dare call themselves the people's government.... fcukers!

(I'll go and have my tablets now...)
What he said.
 

old_fat_and_hairy

LE
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#11
Once again it is just purely and simply a means of seperating people from their money. Brown and his acolytes are typical old style socialists, along the model formed by the Soviets. Squeeze the people until they bleed, then bleed them some more, but not the party elite.

These 'Green Taxes' are not in any way designed to reduce any global or local environment problems. How can they? Can taxing cars, flights or patio heaters repair any mythical holes in ozone layer? Will the money be pasted in a blanket over such hole?

Frankly, I just don'r understand why the ruling party do not just take all our money at source and give us back such pocket money as they feel we deserve.

It is reminiscent of the old style 'company towns' that used to be operated by Mine owners, where workers were paid, but the only place they could spend their money was in the owners shops. Yet another means of clawing back cash.

Dick Turpin at least had the decency to wear a mask!
 
#12
Ninja_Turtle said:
Think Clarkson hit it on the head. It's not going to encourage people to change cars; if you've got a gas-guzzler which is expensive, no fcuker else is going to buy it off you because it'll cost them too much! So you've got a load of people who are stuck with a car that they can't get rid of, and getting taxed to the hilt!

An ill thought out, short term quick-fix (again) by Liarbore.
Good point N_T,Personally I think it'd be better if they combined the tax with a milage charge.The more miles you do per year the more tax you pay.
 
#13
spike7451 said:
Ninja_Turtle said:
Think Clarkson hit it on the head. It's not going to encourage people to change cars; if you've got a gas-guzzler which is expensive, no fcuker else is going to buy it off you because it'll cost them too much! So you've got a load of people who are stuck with a car that they can't get rid of, and getting taxed to the hilt!

An ill thought out, short term quick-fix (again) by Liarbore.
Good point N_T,Personally I think it'd be better if they combined the tax with a milage charge.The more miles you do per year the more tax you pay.
We do now in the fuel duty that you pay at the pump. It also sounds a lot like 'Road Pricing' which got that huge petition on the Downing Street website.
 
#14
If car tax is used to discourage high fuel buring vehicles then it follows that the government policy is to reduce fuel usage, thus reducing co2 release. So why is it when Labour have, as history shows they always do, have driven the Uk into recession, does fat Gordon appeal to the opec countires to produce MORE oil and hence MORE fuel, which would in turn lead to cheaper fuel, and therefore MORE CO2 emmisions though a return to normal use.

One action is rather at logical odds with the public suggestion of the other. Proving, by their own mouths that car tax and fuel tax are instruments of revenue, like all "green" taxes, rather than an green unified policy.

Also worth remembering that if the whole of the UK ceased any co2 production, and went back to living in caves, with nothing from the last 500 years of human development, the drop in worldwide Co2 would be so insigificant it coudl not be measured on any known scale.
 
#15
There is no investment in public transport, because its owned by share holders
There is no investment in people who work because they have money

This Carbon Foot print is BLX, if they wanted to do something about it really they would just add more tax to fuel. But as they cannot do that at the moment without good reason they claim now to hit the Cars themselves.

What utter utter BLX, you just need the money to keep you in your expenses your accustomed too
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#16
Regarding 'Road Pricing' or congestion charge, or whichever term one wants to use for yet more taxation, my city has just decided not to go ahead with such matters.
A study was carried out, feasability models built and general chuntering took place, and for once, the local authorities took notice of the electorate, and the businesses that would be affected , and decided that a congestion charge would be expensive, inconvenient and not practiacable. Nor would it in any way reduce congestion, so the whole idea was kicked out. This also meant a loss to the council, from 'government incentives' of some £20 million.
A brave and unusual decision by a local authority not known for common sense. Maybe this will catch on.
 
#17
I am all for it - car and fuel taxes are not really a problem.

There again I am serving in the land of tax free and the BFG Licencing Office
 
#18
Best of all Broon & Darling have hacked of millions of voters in the process and later today Broon will face questions over misleading the House of Commons, because not a month ago he told Cameron that if he looked at the figures he would see the majority were better off.

Promises to be one of those parliamentary pantomimes of the highest yaaaaaa boooooooo order.
 
#19
It's nearly crimbo I know, but correct me if I am wrong, isn't this issue is still lurking in the background ready to come into play in '09. Does anyone know where you stand if you had a car manufactured before 2002 but not registered in UK till then?

I only ask as there are loads of ex.BFG cars out there that fall into this category (my own included). They may still be in the hands of their original military or ex. military owners or they may be on their 3rd,4th or even 5th unsuspecting civvie owners by now. Those owners think they have a heavy-road tax exempt motor because it is a 2000 model, but end up with a hefty bill because it wasn't registered in UK till 2002, even if it was BFG registered from the outset.

Or am I being paranoid?
 
#20
I believe that the car tax rise has been limited to £30. I think that 'postponed' is the correct term rather than 'abandoned'. It was announced when Darling did his reducing VAT and saving the economy speech.
 

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