OH SH*T: Blair for EU president

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Tony Blair is being actively touted for the position of the European Union's first full-time president by new French president Nicolas Sarkozy, it has been reported.

Mr Sarkozy has discussed the idea with other EU leaders, including German chancellor Angela Merkel, prior to next week's summit in Berlin, according to the Financial Times.

However Downing Street insisted that Mr Blair had no interest in taking on a new, high-profile political job when he steps down as Prime Minster on June 27.

"The Prime Minister has made it clear that he is not going to return to frontline politics," said a Number 10 spokeswoman.

Under proposals being considered by the EU, the new president of the European Council would be a permanent replacement for the EU's rotating, six-month presidency.

The president would have few formal powers, but would give the EU strategic leadership and represent it on the world stage on issues such as climate change.
from MSN news

yep its true... no wonder he wanted the UK to be under more and more EU control...
 

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#2
So Broon is not going to be top dog after all!!!
 
#3
It won't happen, he's far to pro American for the EU, think about it before you know it he would have EUROFOR hitting the Iranian beaches with the USMC
 
#5
He probably would have walked into the job if it hadn't been for Iraq. Us British are more reserved in our hatred for the Deranged Leader, but imagine the reaction of the Germans and French - the protests would make the G8 riots look small.

I think a EU president is - on balance - a good thing, but it should be a symbolic role occupied by someone other than a career politician, be it someone at the forefront of literature, science, the arts etc..
 
#7
The EU presidency was designed deliberately to provide for a short period of tenure to prevent a cult of 'personality' from developing or being developed by any president. It allows policy to be developed independently of the 'will of the leader' as happened in the Germany from 1933 and in this country under 'Thatcher' and 'Blair'.

I passionately believe in the European Union and would not like to see the purpose for which it was contructed subverted and undermined by the Silvio Berlusconi of British Politics
 
#8
predatorplus said:
Tony Blair is being actively touted for the position of the European Union's first full-time president by new French president Nicolas Sarkozy, it has been reported.

Mr Sarkozy has discussed the idea with other EU leaders, including German chancellor Angela Merkel, prior to next week's summit in Berlin, according to the Financial Times.

However Downing Street insisted that Mr Blair had no interest in taking on a new, high-profile political job when he steps down as Prime Minster on June 27.

"The Prime Minister has made it clear that he is not going to return to frontline politics," said a Number 10 spokeswoman.Under proposals being considered by the EU, the new president of the European Council would be a permanent replacement for the EU's rotating, six-month presidency.

The president would have few formal powers, but would give the EU strategic leadership and represent it on the world stage on issues such as climate change.
from MSN news

yep its true... no wonder he wanted the UK to be under more and more EU control...
Thank god for that I read it wrong and thought my bold read he was thinking of being a front line Troop, and was joining the TA. Panic over but would of been interesting.
 
#9
The_IRON said:
Thank god for that I read it wrong and thought my bold read he was thinking of being a front line Troop, and was joining the TA. Panic over but would of been interesting.
I do not believe a word that comes out of No10.

For Bliar to freely admit that his aspiration is to take over as the new EU president whilst signing the UK up to a bastardised EU “Treaty” (the name change is pure semantics to avoid a national referendum on the constitution and avoid certain defeat) would be seen as selling UK sovereignty for a plum job.

Bliar has IMO been moving towards this for a considerable amount of years:

18th Feb 2003

In a keynote speech in Cardiff the prime minister called for more powers for European institutions and a new fixed presidency for the EU to help increase Europe's prestige in the world.

He said enlargement of the EU would create "a new Europe", making the time right for sweeping reforms.

The speech prompted the Conservatives to accuse Mr Blair of advocating a European federal superstate.
And:

17 April 2003

TONY Blair yesterday increased speculation that he wants to become the president of Europe when he claimed that the European Union must speak with a single voice on foreign policy.

The call was the clearest sign yet that Mr Blair could pitch to become the future president of Europe after stepping down as Prime Minister.
In the wake of the splits over the war in Iraq, Mr Blair told an EU summit in Athens that an enlarged union of 25-member states needed a more powerful voice on the world stage.

He said that voice should be provided by a full-time EU president, responsible to the member governments, giving "strategic direction".
And:

25 Mar 2007

TONY BLAIR is secretly backing plans to create a permanent President of Europe, in a move that could see him go head to head for the job with bitter rival Jacques Chirac.

Kim Darroch, Mr Blair's personal envoy to the EU, has been told to use the negotiations to press for a permanent EU president to replace the current system, in which the presidency rotates among the member states every six months.

The Prime Minister would be one of the favourites for the job, which would go to a former EU leader. His main rival would be the outgoing French president Jacques Chirac, who has clashed with Mr Blair over the future of Europe many times during the past decade.
Do you really believe him?

December 11 1998

The UK will not give up its rebate from the European budget, Prime Minister Tony Blair has said.

Mr Blair is meeting European leaders at the EU summit in Vienna where discussion is expected to centre on European funding, including moves to end the UK's £2bn a year budget rebate.
I would trust the slimey oik as far as I could throw him!!!!!
 
#10
:twisted: does this mean he gets to fcuk europe up as well as he has here???

Or mess with uk but from europe ??

Good riddance to B liar and the bliar witch ! :twisted:
 
#11
So there is a plan to re-introduce the European Constitution without actually calling it that so we can avoid the inconvenience of actually asking the population if they want it.
When this constitution is slipped in there is a plan to make Tony (thetwat) Blair the un-elected permanent president.

Is it just me or have we suddenly stepped into a slightly less democratic country than Stalin would have settled for?
 
#12
mad_mac said:
For Bliar to freely admit that his aspiration is to take over as the new EU president whilst signing the UK up to a bastardised EU “Treaty” (the name change is pure semantics to avoid a national referendum on the constitution and avoid certain defeat) would be seen as selling UK sovereignty for a plum job.

Bliar has IMO been moving towards this for a considerable amount of years:

18th Feb 2003

In a keynote speech in Cardiff the prime minister called for more powers for European institutions and a new fixed presidency for the EU to help increase Europe's prestige in the world.

He said enlargement of the EU would create "a new Europe", making the time right for sweeping reforms.

The speech prompted the Conservatives to accuse Mr Blair of advocating a European federal superstate.
And:

17 April 2003

TONY Blair yesterday increased speculation that he wants to become the president of Europe when he claimed that the European Union must speak with a single voice on foreign policy.

The call was the clearest sign yet that Mr Blair could pitch to become the future president of Europe after stepping down as Prime Minister.
In the wake of the splits over the war in Iraq, Mr Blair told an EU summit in Athens that an enlarged union of 25-member states needed a more powerful voice on the world stage.

He said that voice should be provided by a full-time EU president, responsible to the member governments, giving "strategic direction".
And:

25 Mar 2007

TONY BLAIR is secretly backing plans to create a permanent President of Europe, in a move that could see him go head to head for the job with bitter rival Jacques Chirac.

Kim Darroch, Mr Blair's personal envoy to the EU, has been told to use the negotiations to press for a permanent EU president to replace the current system, in which the presidency rotates among the member states every six months.

The Prime Minister would be one of the favourites for the job, which would go to a former EU leader. His main rival would be the outgoing French president Jacques Chirac, who has clashed with Mr Blair over the future of Europe many times during the past decade.
Do you really believe him?

December 11 1998

The UK will not give up its rebate from the European budget, Prime Minister Tony Blair has said.

Mr Blair is meeting European leaders at the EU summit in Vienna where discussion is expected to centre on European funding, including moves to end the UK's £2bn a year budget rebate.
I would trust the slimey oik as far as I could throw him!!!!!
all that could prove that he knew that he would be kicked out after the war in iraq, all those dates are just during the war in iraq...

so he signed us up to all the EU controled stuff and then planned to run for EU big shot??

little rat... do we get to vote on who become EU boss??
 
#13
The first thing that the dear leader will do after leaving office is to embark on the US lecture and public speaking circuit in order to make his pile of cash. Then, after a suitable period, he will sign a massive deal with a publisher for his memoirs and make even more £££'s. After all he and the wide mouthed frog need to keep up the payments on the huge mortgage that they signed for their new London mansion a couple of years ago.
 
#15
predatorplus said:
all that could prove that he knew that he would be kicked out after the war in iraq, all those dates are just during the war in iraq...

so he signed us up to all the EU controled stuff and then planned to run for EU big shot??

little rat... do we get to vote on who become EU boss??
More twists and turns to avoid a referendum:

“If there are further steps to European integration, the people should have their say at a general election or in a referendum”

Tony Blair, February 1997

New Britain: My vision of a young country, p.70
And:

"What you cannot do is have a situation where you get a rejection of the treaty and bring it back with a few amendments and say, ‘Have another go'. You cannot do that"

Tony Blair, 23 April 2004

The Independent
And:

"The treaty does not and will not alter the fundamental nature of the relationship between member states and the European Union… Parliament should debate it in detail and decide upon it. Then, let the people have the final say"

Tony Blair, 20 April 2004

Speech announcing a referendum on the constitutional treaty
And:

“If it is not a constitutional treaty so that it alters the basic relationship between Europe and the member states, then there isn’t the same case for a referendum”

Tony Blair, 20 April 2007

Interview announcing that there will be no referendum on the new treaty
Framework detail on the EU President:

EU president

For example, the new treaty is likely to follow the constitutional treaty in proposing an EU President – to be appointed by the European Council for two-and-a-half year terms. The constitutional treaty proposed that the president would have to be a former head of Government, and would not be allowed to hold a current national office. This means that unlike in the present system, whereby member states’ Prime Ministers or Presidents head the EU for six months at a time, the President of the Council would have no direct link to any citizens of the EU. Indeed, by definition he or she would be likely be either retired or have been recently rejected by national voters.

The opportunity to steer the direction of the EU for 6 months that the current system affords each member state would be taken away. This would deprive each member state of a chance to propose its own measures and agenda. It would mean setting up another powerful, independent Brussels institution. Control of the 3,500 civil servants in the Council Secretariat would give the President a substantial power base – and the president would have an incentive to expand its own powers. The new President would fundamentally change the nature of the legislative process in Brussels. Instead of negotiations between the supranational Commission and a national head of Government with a vested interest in protecting the rights of member states, negotiations would in future take place between one unelected, independent Brussels institution and another.

Many also see the President as a stepping stone to a US-style President of Europe. The author of the constitutional treaty, Valery Giscard d’Estaing, has already suggested that the new President of the Council will later be merged with the President of the Commission, and be directly elected.

Nicolas Sarkozy has also recently backed making the President directly elected. During the negotiations on the constitution Jack Straw said the UK “would have preferred to have explicit separation of those two posts”. The UK Government tried to block an amendment which allows the two posts to be merged, but it later gave way.


The sneaky underhanded way Bliar and his European cronies have tried to railroad this issue despite huge home nation opposition is completely undemocratic. Below is a list of "quotes" by various cronies to hoodwink this issue into existence:

In April 2007 a leaked letter from Angela Merkel to other leaders negotiating the new treaty highlighted the fact that it would have much of the same “legal substance” as the constitutional treaty, but would make “presentational changes” and use “different terminology” – like calling the new “foreign minister” something else instead.
Some comments from people in Brussels suggest that EU leaders believe that simply changing the name of the new treaty so that it is no longer called a “Constitution” will be enough to “fool” the voters.
As Peter Mandelson puts it: “Anything that crosses the threshold of requiring a referendum will immediately run into difficulties. We have to come to terms with the fact that getting any constitutional treaty past a referendum in our member states will be an uphill struggle…. I am tempted to argue that we should identify those elements of the existing draft treaty that are the most necessary and most important and effective in meeting our institutional needs and strip away the rest.” (Independent, 3 July 2006)
Sarkozy advisor Alain Lamassoure has also talked about “avoiding referendums”. He argues that “We shall go through the text with a rubber instead of a pencil. Many of the clauses are unnecessary, because they reiterate what is already in the treaties. But these are generally the articles that people object to. So, if we take out what we don't need, we can avoid any new referendums.” (Telegraph, 20 February 2007)
Anything that unites European leaders in collusion against thier own voters wishes, I treat with proportional skepticism and am curious what personal benefits they will accrue.
 
#18
mad_mac said:
For Bliar to freely admit that his aspiration is to take over as the new EU president whilst signing the UK up to a bastardised EU “Treaty” (the name change is pure semantics to avoid a national referendum on the constitution and avoid certain defeat) would be seen as selling UK sovereignty for a plum job.
lf B'LIAR was employed in the Stock Exchange, he would have been done for Insider Dealing.......if thats the right saying! Can he not be arrested for something similar in this instance?
 
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