Oh dear the Senior Service are furious with the Army

#2
Oh dear. Handbags on the quarterdeck at dawn. Senior officers in the military are getting bigger egos than politicians. The real matter to be address is, How long is the UK going to spend shed loads of money trying to be a World power?
 
#3
So if Dannatt gets his way, we'll be top dog at fighting blokes on donkeys for the next 2 decades but bugger all use if someone in a motor boat or microlight cuts up rough.
 

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LE
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#4
Not exactly the way to boost public confidence that the nation's best interests are the top priority. It's a shame that everyone concerned didn't keep the hissy fits private. Whether it happened or not, and if it did happen it shouldn't have done, going on about never forgiving or forgetting is a ridiculous statement to make to a journo and it's not going to help anyone. Time for some quiet despair.
 
#6
Completely non-attributed comments do not make good copy. This story is as good as "Some bloke down the pub says....but Dave's mate reckons....and he should know!" and probably not worth the paper it's not printed on.
 
#7
So if Dannatt gets his way, we'll be top dog at fighting blokes on donkeys for the next 2 decades but bugger all use if someone in a motor boat or microlight cuts up rough.
Don't be so harsh. They have 4x4s too. To quote someone else about Dannatt:

"It would now appear that he believes a CVS is like a big tank, kept in an air conditioned garage, manned up by a crew after a few hours on the simulator and ready in a week or so."
 
#9
Certainly might be some, but one would also need to look at Generals and British Army Battlions and, even more , RAF Wing Commanders, Group Captains, etc, etc...

On another board someone said this, which certainly made me laugh: "And if it does flare up that nice Mr Richards can send some of his adaptable Pongos in Peddllos."

In truth it is not rocket science that UK needs balanced Armed Forces, including both an Army and a Navy -including vital Carrier Air- and even an Air Force.
 
#10
Oh dear. Handbags on the quarterdeck at dawn. Senior officers in the military are getting bigger egos than politicians. The real matter to be address is, How long is the UK going to spend shed loads of money trying to be a World power?
Oh do shut up. I can't say I'm particularly proud of this country or the people in it, but like it or not, we are a world power. Removing ourselves from that position is not as simple as deciding we don't want to play any more.
 

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LE
Book Reviewer
#11
Certainly might be some, but one would also need to look at Generals and British Army Battlions and, even more , RAF Wing Commanders, Group Captains, etc, etc...

On another board someone said this, which certainly made me laugh: "And if it does flare up that nice Mr Richards can send some of his adaptable Pongos in Peddllos."
Royal Marines? That's a bit harsh!
 
#12
Oh do shut up. I can't say I'm particularly proud of this country or the people in it, but like it or not, we are a world power. Removing ourselves from that position is not as simple as deciding we don't want to play any more.
Do carry on deluding yourself.
 
#13
I'm still pretty proud of UK, not all of her, but of, for example, the Armed Forces. And Britain can be a pretty good place, better than most certainly. I would hate to see her sink too far down the sh.t pile.
 
#14
Oh goody. A two-year old Telegraph article about Defence that was as inaccurate as any you'll find in the Sun or Daily Mail. Here we go again (link): :roll:
Originally Posted by Hansard 29 Feb 2008

Mr. Jenkins: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many admirals there are in the Royal Navy.

Mr. Bob Ainsworth: There are two admirals, six vice admirals and 25 rear admirals currently serving in the Royal Navy. These numbers include admirals in Ministry Defence tri-service appointments.
I make that a total of 33 officers of flag rank (admirals) and that was before your linked story; I believe the number has since been reduced. RN admirals also serve in senior NATO and other muliti-national appointments such as Deputy Commander Allied Command Transformation (ACT - formerly SACLANT) and Deputy Commander STRIKEFORNATO. The previous Operation Commander of EU NAVFOR was an RN admiral prior to his supersession by a Maj Gen RM in June.

Give or take, the RN surface flotilla comprises 52 vessels from aircraft carriers to patrol boats, the submarine flotilla comprises 12 nuclear submarines including the deterrent, and the RFA comprises 16 logistic support ships. This makes a total of 80 grey hulls altogether. The Fleet Air Arm comprises 20 Naval Air Squadrons and then there is 3 Cdo Brigade. Although this has its share of RM senior officers, it is part of the Naval Service and comes under the Commander-in-Chief Fleet (an admiral).

This said, I am actually in favour of trimming some 'top brass' from all three services but perhaps you should look here first:
Originally Posted by Sunday Times 29 Dec 2009

The Army is weighed down with top brass, according to figures showing that the number of generals and brigadiers has risen since Labour came to power in 1997. Although the size of the trained Army has shrunk to about 100,000 soldiers, there are now 255 members with the rank of brigadier or above — or one for every 400 service personnel...
 
#15
Do carry on deluding yourself.

How so. UK is still about the 4th or 5th largest economy in the World and it still has the best trained armed forces in the world, including, at least for now, a Navy in the top five? Your problem is?
 

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LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Do carry on deluding yourself.
Perhaps it's you who's deluding yourself. The UK has the 6th largest GDP in the world, we have the 3rd highest armed forces budget in the world, we are a world leader in terms of technology, manufacturing and science, we are one of the permanent members of the UN security council, we are a lead member of NATO and we are one of the richest countries in the world, and our Queen is the head of the Commonwealth which includes around 80 member countries, totalling well over 1 billion people. We have an enormous amount of discrete influence the world over. Our space technology is the envy of the world, and we are part of the world's biggest and most effective sigint operation that eavesdrops on just about everyone rather succesfully.

By what ******* measure do you think we are deluding ourselves?
 
#17
"In retaliation to the Navy’s accusations the Army has accused the Senior Service of “smoking a crack pipe” over some of its decisions",

Quality comeback, he must be 'down' with the kids.
 

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LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Isn't it cool how the Treasury and the MoD mandarins have all managed to divide and conquer the 3 branches of the armed forces, thus fatally weakening the arguments of each.
 
#19
My original comment was that a great deal of money is spent so that politicians and senior military officers can enjoy high status among their foreign peers. It has nothing to do with pride in the country or its GDP. Although when I look around at the quality of much in this country it is difficult to believe that we have the 6th largest GDP. With all respect to H.M. I don't think that she influences many other governments and the Commonwealth is an anachronism. We have many fine things in this country but having military might to influence others is not important to me.
 
#20
How so. UK is still about the 4th or 5th largest economy in the World and it still has the best trained armed forces in the world, including, at least for now, a Navy in the top five? Your problem is?
At the moment, the only near peer threat the Royal Navy would face would be the US Navy, any one else we could give a good spanking in a full on fur and fangs confrontation.
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If Dannatt and his clowns get their way, we will be able to put up a good last stand in the Solent, but that would be about it.
 

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