Oh dear.....Student hardship pleas increase

spike7451

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My heart beeds purple p1ss for the dear wee lambs...

There has been a big increase in the number of university students across the UK applying for emergency hardship funds, research by the BBC suggests.

Of the 18 universities contacted, 11 saw rises as students struggle to pay fees and costs as part-time work dries up and more parents lose their jobs.

Plymouth says requests are up by 38% and Newcastle 20%. University College London and Cardiff also reported rises.

Ministers say they are doing what they can to ensure finance is not a barrier.

The National Union of Students says it is concerned about the trend.

About 50% of students work during term time, using the money to pay for tuition, accommodation, food and socialising.

Least well-off

BBC Breakfast found that Manchester Metropolitan University was one of those reporting a big increase in applications.

Tricia Joyce, the university's student financial support officer, said: "We have got a 25% increase in applications to the access to learning fund than this time last year and in the last month we have had an almost 50% increase in inquiries about extra funding."

The University of Abertay in Dundee has run out of funding twice as more students than ever apply for hardship payments.

HARDSHIP FUND APPLICATIONS
University of Plymouth - up 38%
Newcastle University - up 20%
Abertay University - up 11%

James Nicholson, head of student services, said: "Once upon a time it might well have been those from the least well-off background, but actually it's becoming more than just those people and so that's what's concerning.

"It's not just a small group of people - it's becoming larger."

Not all universities have reported increases but where they have the problem is compounded by the lack of part-time jobs.

The University of Leeds student employment service says it has twice as many people looking for term-time jobs than in previous years - far more than the number of jobs available.

Ryan Brain, a student at Staffordshire University.

Second-year student Edward Gillson said: "I worked in retail before and have gone back in the holidays as a student and got work but now you call up now and you can't get work any more because they don't have the hours."

Gail Hardwick, employment manager at Leeds University Student Union, said: "Students who may have had jobs in the last calendar year returned in January to find their jobs don't exist.

"For some students it's absolutely critical that they work during term time. It's the difference between them being able to complete their course or dropping out."

The universities contacted by the BBC reporting increases in emergency hardship fund applications were: Plymouth, Newcastle, Manchester Metropolitan, Abartay in Dundee, Hull, Cardiff, Nottingham, University College London, Exeter, University of Manchester, and Sheffield.

The University of East Anglia, Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham, Coventry, and Southampton reported there had been no rise.

Warwick said it had seen a drop in applications.
 
spike7451 said:
My heart beeds purple p1ss for the dear wee lambs...Maybe if they stopped getting pi$hed all the time & done some fecking work!
lazy workshy wasters!....

Surely the point is that they actually want to work, but that the jobs are drying up?
 
My Niece is at Uni. She does one full day and two days at 3 hours a piece. She gets a handout of a couple of Grand every couple of months and she has a full wardrobe of designer label clothes, drives a Car and this year is having two overseas holiday's, and no, her parents aren't funding her, it's all from her Student Loans and bursary's

So when it comes to hard luck stories about Student Debt, I couldn't give a fecking shitt.
 

butters

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what a ****, due to complications with my student loan i didnt receive a penny for the year until about 2 weeks ago, i had to live off my own savings that i had earned through work and was hoping to put into a car and some other productive fun stuff and instead spend it on 6 months worth of tuna, pasta and tomato soup. it was grim as **** and i went out twice, got drunk less than 10 times in that period, did all my work, i had to apply for a hardship fund at one point because i was eating out of date bread and had no liquid other than water... but obviously im just a workshy money drain. i applied for pretty much every job in leeds and got a few interviews but due to the fact i was ill, malnourished and didnt have a suit i was pretty much screwed even though im pretty good at them, cry me a river! ive now got my money (or should i say your money) and have spent half of it on fancy clothes and beer, live the dream.

i understand ribbing some of the bellends you get at university but branding us all workshy lazy wasters is rubbish, get a grip
 

MSI64

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Simple if you finish University and actually get a job that you trained for, then you only pay 50% of your loan back.
If you finish University and then sit on your ass drawing Job seekers then pay the lot
 

bubsnicket

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MSI64 said:
Simple if you finish University and actually get a job that you trained for, then you only pay 50% of your loan back.
If you finish University and then sit on your ass drawing Job seekers then pay the lot

Oh right, so if people doing a philosophy degree get a job in phil... oh shit, that doesnt work now... ok but surely people with art degrees can get a job in art right.... maybe not....

the fact is that most graduates don't get a job in the field of their qualification. Besides if you had a rule that that, who would ever join the forces as it would be a £10k handicap that some of your peers may not have.
 
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heard_it_all_before said:
My Niece is at Uni. She does one full day and two days at 3 hours a piece. She gets a handout of a couple of Grand every couple of months and she has a full wardrobe of designer label clothes, drives a Car and this year is having two overseas holiday's, and no, her parents aren't funding her, it's all from her Student Loans and bursary's

So when it comes to hard luck stories about Student Debt, I couldn't give a fecking shitt.

What a load of bollox that post is... a couple of grand every 2 months? Whatever... :roll: I think you'll find its in the region of four and a half per year!

Having been a student back in the nineties, I can fully appreciate the "sob stories" and hardships some students will be going through. If you are from a working class family who can't afford to give you any money while you are studying you are fecked at uni. Don't forget you still pay rent, buy food, pay for your fecking books (which on their own cost a small fortune). The recession will be hitting some students harder than others.

At the end of the day, we are going to get the rich kids, with their rich parents, doing the degrees. And the rest of us just have to stick to maybe getting some a-levels and then working shite jobs to get by!

Nice one heard_it_all_before.....
 

MSI64

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bubsnicket said:
MSI64 said:
Simple if you finish University and actually get a job that you trained for, then you only pay 50% of your loan back.
If you finish University and then sit on your ass drawing Job seekers then pay the lot

Oh right, so if people doing a philosophy degree get a job in phil... oh s***, that doesnt work now... ok but surely people with art degrees can get a job in art right.... maybe not....

the fact is that most graduates don't get a job in the field of their qualification. Besides if you had a rule that that, who would ever join the forces as it would be a £10k handicap that some of your peers may not have.

Ok a job relevant to your Degree, is that better, how many students finish four years of a Bulls**t degree and then sit on there ass complaining there isnt any jobs for a (insert crap degree)

What happened to students working to pay for there tuition???
 
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Screw_The_Nut

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bubsnicket said:
MSI64 said:
Simple if you finish University and actually get a job that you trained for, then you only pay 50% of your loan back.
If you finish University and then sit on your ass drawing Job seekers then pay the lot

Oh right, so if people doing a philosophy degree get a job in phil... oh s***, that doesnt work now... ok but surely people with art degrees can get a job in art right.... maybe not....

Missing the point somewhat... A degree is a degree, a demonstration of one's ability to research, study and collate information off your own back, and to come up with original thoughts and ideas. Even more so in Humanities (ie art, philosophy etc). It can be argued that there are too many "micky mouse" degrees out there. But I can assure you that even something like Media Studies is no walk in the park, that being one of the easier degrees out there.
 

bubsnicket

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Screw_The_Nut said:
bubsnicket said:
MSI64 said:
Simple if you finish University and actually get a job that you trained for, then you only pay 50% of your loan back.
If you finish University and then sit on your ass drawing Job seekers then pay the lot

Oh right, so if people doing a philosophy degree get a job in phil... oh s***, that doesnt work now... ok but surely people with art degrees can get a job in art right.... maybe not....

Missing the point somewhat... A degree is a degree, a demonstration of one's ability to research, study and collate information off your own back, and to come up with original thoughts and ideas. Even more so in Humanities (ie art, philosophy etc). It can be argued that there are too many "micky mouse" degrees out there. But I can assure you that even something like Media Studies is no walk in the park, that being one of the easier degrees out there.

Me thinks it may be you who has missed the point... read it again now.... im saying that to give people some kind of benefit for choosing a job related to their degree is pointless.
 
MSI64 said:
What happened to students working to pay for there tuition???

The jobs went away. Students left their job at Woolworths, or Zavvi or USC etc and when they come back it's gone and casual work is harder to come across.

This might be a good time to start publicising DTUS more; with quite a few scientists looking at three, four or five years of debt for their degree, a few years in the forces in return for an ample bursary and shedloads of AT might be quite inviting.
 

MSI64

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My wife is studying at the moment, We pay for it ourselves, this is also whilst she holds down a part time job and looks after our son?
How hard can it be???
 

MSI64

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Granted its online with a University in her own country (USA)
But hey a degree is a degree (research, collate own ideas and all that.

My bold was a line of sarcasm for anyone who failed to catch it :roll:
 
MSI64 said:
My wife is studying at the moment, We pay for it ourselves, this is also whilst she holds down a part time job and looks after our son?
How hard can it be???

That's the point surely? The article is talking about students not being able to find the jobs they need when studying.

Possibly quite hard if they're unable to get a job when on a full time course!
 
MSI64 said:
My wife is studying at the moment, We pay for it ourselves, this is also whilst she holds down a part time job and looks after our son?
How hard can it be???
The whole fucking point is that there IS NO part-time work available for students now.
You pay for it yourselves because you've got some savings built up and have a partner in full-time employment. Not to mention that its an online degree. :roll:
The whole thrust of the article is that the jobs which many students RELY ON to give them adequate funding for their studies and living costs have completely dried up.
Before I got my cadetship, my loan was just over 3 grand per year. That covered my rent. I had to use my TA pay to pay for food and electricity. I never bought new clothes, couldn't afford a car (hell, even public transport was avoided unless absolutely necessary) and generally lived like I was on the poverty line (and with an income of less than 5 grand a year, I probably was).
So to all these people saying 'lazy fecking students, they're all rich anyway' need to pull their heads out of their arses.
 

bubsnicket

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MSI64 said:
But hey a degree is a degree...

Not really... I would respect anyone with an engineerng degree who had 32 hours a week or more of lectures and labs far more than a student attending six hours a week of psychology lectures and seminars... plus the engineer will have a good grounding in mathematics, investigative and analytical techniques, where a mickey mouse academic student only learns the analytical skills.

(No offence to people who studied non-mickey mouse academia!)
 

Drummer_Boy

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I have to say after doing a 4 year degree in Electronic engineering with 20+ hours of lectures and labs per week, plus another 10+ hours of research, i would do a degree in Politics next time and spend my time in the pub!!

It's unfortunate that all degrees are not created equal, but also that successive governments have seen fit to make it a rich persons game again.

I did my degree at the end of the 80s/beginning of the 90s and had a Student laon the first year they came out, a well as working 15hrs a week in the local Morrisons.

Lucky for me there were no xboxes, mobile phones or laptops to blow my money on!!
 

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