Oh dear, so the GDR really wasn't nice then ?

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Do not hesitate to use the firearm, even if the breakthroughs are made with women and children, which the traitor* has often taken advantage of.

* Verrater - where have I seen that word before?

Oh yes, a phrase much loved by the Nazis -
 
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Another post with an incredible amount of information, spackerinski. How do you do it?

MsG
It's quite easy Bugsy, I wait for you to post something and I reply.
Is it a bit too complicated for you?
 
@DaManBugs a simple bit of Goooglry on the word "Schießbefehl " and you will find many references to it and it's existence. Most of it is in German so it would be a piece of Kuchen for you.
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
If there was no intention to kill or maim escapees from the DDR what was the purpose of the 60,000 SM-70's and the 1.3 million land mines along the border? Just a thought.
Heh! Whaa' yoo no onnerstann' bout dis, fellah?
There's no doubt in my own mind that the border regime was totally barbaric. There's simply no excuse for applying "elastic" regulations that effectively allow border guards to take the lives of other humans, just because a nominally "Socialist" gobment declares the understandable wish to escape what folks perceive to be a suffocating political and social climate as a "crime".
You me say, fellah. Can get bigh pill fo' yoo brain, fellah. Help big time. Ohnee fi' dolla'

MsG
 
Such conscripts on the GDR/West German border, while having no problems in the British sector, were subjected to some very bad abuse in the sector of the GDR/West German border manned/patrolled by the Septics. They had weapons pointed at them threateningly; faced quite clearly unhinged screaming at them: were pelted by the fanatical Septics with rocks, mud, fireworks - even practice grenades to make them flinch. Fortunately, those "Grenzer" kept their heads and dignity, didn't respond to such outrageous tactics and quite possibly prevented the advent of a catastrophic world war. How many wars have been kicked off by stupid borde r incidents?
More anti American BS from the man who claims to have no problem with Americans.
Please post the evidence for these accounts of "fanatical Septics with rocks, mud, fireworks - even practice grenades to make them flinch".

I lived in Cottbus in East Germany for almost six years after the fall of the Berlin Wall
So you lived in Cottbus in Eastern Germany after the fall of the Berlin wall. Germany was unified 3rd October 1990. East Germany did not exist after that date and to all intense and purposes ceased to exist after 9th November 1989.

I thought we were going to have a sensible conversation about the legality of German unification, not more Bugsy lies and anti-American rhetoric. I should have known better!
 
Heh! Whaa' yoo no onnerstann' bout dis, fellah?

You me say, fellah. Can get bigh pill fo' yoo brain, fellah. Help big time. Ohnee fi' dolla'

MsG

So, let me get this right.... They pack the border with mines, equip the border guards with guns and ammunition but they have no intention of using them? That's what you think?
 
So you lived in Cottbus in Eastern Germany after the fall of the Berlin wall. Germany was unified 3rd October 1990. East Germany did not exist after that date and to all intense and purposes ceased to exist after 9th November 1989.
He told me he lived in the glorious DDR long before reunification, Bugs, did you move back AFTER reunification or are you lying again?
 
So, let me get this right.... They pack the border with mines, equip the border guns with guns and ammunition but they have no intention of using them? That's what you think?
Ha Scrotal_Septicemia, you think you're superior to him don't you and that's not his problem is it.

MsG

ps... I am trying out a few obituary ideas for when he explodes and dies in a shower of ridiculous lies, deranged fantasies and childish name calling... no offence intended.
 
Ha Scrotal_Septicemia, you think you're superior to him don't you and that's not his problem is it.

MsG

ps... I am trying out a few obituary ideas for when he explodes and dies in a shower of ridiculous lies, deranged fantasies and childish name calling... no offence intended.
None taken, I know that when he resorts to either ignoring me or defaults to type with the childish stuff, then I happy happy in the knowledge that he has no answer to my facts.
 
Yes, but it was protecting Ossies from straying across the border into western corruption by blowing their legs off.
Noooooooo! they were lovely blokes. It just made a "Quack Quack oops" noise out of the funnel shaped thing. They loved a laugh.
 
You certainly need it, Ive just had a look at the rest of the smelly inadequates that are prepared to listen to you so long as you wave a placard in the cold weather.
They don' seem to be doing much on their site.
About us

Are they busy covering up rapes?
"This was demonstrated by the experience of Russia where an isolated socialist revolution was crushed by the power of the world market "

I think they're busy with mind altering drugs.
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
There was, take it up with the German government......

Or you could read this:
East German Shoot-to-Kill Order Is Found

Now, remember how you said you NEVER defended the criminal East German dictatorship?

Remember when you said your entire family was murdered by the British Army - twice?

Remember when you said you 'knew' my mate hit that woman in the Orgreave photo and had proof?

Just how do you live with all your lies?

Perhaps a special list of all your lies that automatically pops-up every time you post or a permanent 'fantasist' tag
Ah, Maypole! You really are a very sad piece of work in your pathetically desperate endeavour to, as it were, "prove me wrong" whatever it takes! So what do we have?

I state that there had never been an official, specific "shoot-to-kill" order on the GDR border. You, on the other hand, maintain, with your "explosive" post, that there was indeed an official, specific "shoot-to-kill" order. All you have to do now, Maypole, is actually produce it!

Post a screenshot, post a letter authorised from whomever, post links to copies of your mythical "shoot-to-kill order". Don't worry that it may be in German. I've a working knowledge of the language, so that won't be a problem. So post away! Provide concrete and verifiable evidence that there was a "shoot-to-kill" policy on the GDR border. That's not too much to ask is from a fella like you, who's so utterly convinced that he's "in the right and can prove it", is it?

What you're actually referring to is an entirely personal "order" typed up privately by a company commander (Feldwebel) that had no "official" relevance whatsoever and was comprehensively and finally dismissed as total bollix in 2005, having first been "discovered", and correspondingly dismissed in 1992. Then in 1995, 1999 and 2001,when various sensationalist-seeking journalists successively "discovered" it anew as a "sensation". You really will have to try very much harder than that, Maypole. But I'm open to new revelations, as long as they're genuine.

MsG
 
Ah, Maypole! You really are a very sad piece of work in your pathetically desperate endeavour to, as it were, "prove me wrong" whatever it takes! So what do we have?

I state that there had never been an official, specific "shoot-to-kill" order on the GDR border. You, on the other hand, maintain, with your "explosive" post, that there was indeed an official, specific "shoot-to-kill" order. All you have to do now, Maypole, is actually produce it!

Post a screenshot, post a letter authorised from whomever, post links to copies of your mythical "shoot-to-kill order". Don't worry that it may be in German. I've a working knowledge of the language, so that won't be a problem. So post away! Provide concrete and verifiable evidence that there was a "shoot-to-kill" policy on the GDR border. That's not too much to ask is from a fella like you, who's so utterly convinced that he's "in the right and can prove it", is it?

What you're actually referring to is an entirely personal "order" typed up privately by a company commander (Feldwebel) that had no "official" relevance whatsoever and was comprehensively and finally dismissed as total bollix in 2005, having first been "discovered", and correspondingly dismissed in 1992. Then in 1995, 1999 and 2001,when various sensationalist-seeking journalists successively "discovered" it anew as a "sensation". You really will have to try very much harder than that, Maypole. But I'm open to new revelations, as long as they're genuine.

MsG

Tsk! A Feldwebel is a Sergeant.

I do agree with your point that many East German troops would have sought to control an escape without opening fire, though.
 
Ah, Maypole! You really are a very sad piece of work in your pathetically desperate endeavour to, as it were, "prove me wrong" whatever it takes! So what do we have?

I state that there had never been an official, specific "shoot-to-kill" order on the GDR border. You, on the other hand, maintain, with your "explosive" post, that there was indeed an official, specific "shoot-to-kill" order. All you have to do now, Maypole, is actually produce it!

Post a screenshot, post a letter authorised from whomever, post links to copies of your mythical "shoot-to-kill order". Don't worry that it may be in German. I've a working knowledge of the language, so that won't be a problem. So post away! Provide concrete and verifiable evidence that there was a "shoot-to-kill" policy on the GDR border. That's not too much to ask is from a fella like you, who's so utterly convinced that he's "in the right and can prove it", is it?

What you're actually referring to is an entirely personal "order" typed up privately by a company commander (Feldwebel) that had no "official" relevance whatsoever and was comprehensively and finally dismissed as total bollix in 2005, having first been "discovered", and correspondingly dismissed in 1992. Then in 1995, 1999 and 2001,when various sensationalist-seeking journalists successively "discovered" it anew as a "sensation". You really will have to try very much harder than that, Maypole. But I'm open to new revelations, as long as they're genuine.

MsG
Google it.
 
company commander (Feldwebel)
Feldwebel is a company commander now is he?
If you're going to make stuff up, do a bit of research first, it makes it more challenging for me to disprove you.

edited to add: beaten to it by Brotherton Lad.
 

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