Offshore Patrol Vessels

Yokel

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No, no, you don't understand, the aircraft carrier's primary role is providing short-range missile defence for its consorts.

That's why we need to fit lots of missiles, instead of carrying aircraft, so our aircraft carrier can be more effective by not wasting its time carrying and operating aircraft...
OPVs are going to escort carriers?

I do remember a thread in which someone advocated the carriers carrying less aircraft and more missiles, not unlike the Russian one. Some fool on the PPRuNe Future Carrier thread suggested carrying anti ship missiles.

Anyway, are there any plans to fit Phalanx to OPVs?
 
Originally published : 19 March 2014.

New Border Force cutter helps to protect UK coastline




HMC Protector is 1 of 5 cutters operated by Border Force to protect UK waters and coastline. They operate 24 hours a day, all year round, responding to intelligence-led information or patrolling high-risk areas. Their primary function is to intercept drug shipments and other restricted or prohibited goods being trafficked by sea.

 
Originally published: 30 September 2015.

Border Force speaks about role in migrant crisis


Two Border Force vessels that have been heavily involved in the ongoing EU response to the migrant crisis stopped in GIbraltar today. HMC Protector and HMC Seeker are on their way back to the UK following search and rescue missions off the coast of Italy and Libya, where vast numbers of migrants are trying to make their way across the Mediterranean to Europe. GBC reporter Jonathan Scott spoke to Border Force Maritime Director, Sue Young. Tomorrow morning Border Force professionals will take part in a joint training exercise with HM Customs, the Royal GIbraltar Police, the GIbraltar Defence Police, and the Royal Navy.

 

Yokel

LE

Just as I predicted. Having a second LSD(A) available for amphibious tasking is a real gain for the UK and NATO. I do wonder how Medway will get on without a flight, but we have sent OPVs to the Carribean before.

Perhaps this shows the way the Batch 2 OPVs can free up other assets from routine benign or constabulary type roles.
 
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Because the marketing brochure from Novator claims so?

Life's not as simple as that, as you'd know if you had any idea what you're talking about. You've even been told where you can find out the facts.

But you don't understand, and you can't or won't learn, so you end up looking like this...

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Fitting Phalanx to the Type 45s was nothing whatsoever to do with dhows or journalists - but then I know that for certain, while you're just reciting nonsense someone else told you.

Neither is including it on Type 26 - but again, if you actually knew anything about the subject, you wouldn't be holding forth with such misplaced confidence.

You're wasting your time arguing with him. Having had his arse comprehensively kicked over claiming that a rapid fire gun was an adequate primary air defence system, he is now trying to turn the narrative around by bashing on a slightly different rapid fire gun and singing the praises of missiles. He's just establishing a series of posts that he can point to in order to claim that he never said that rapid fire guns were the way forward and that he always said that missiles were required for primary air defence. He's so transparent it's laughable.
 

Just as I predicted. Having a second LSD(A) available for amphibious tasking is a real gain for the UK and NATO. I do wonder how Medway will get on without a flight, but we have sent OPVs to the Carribean before.

Perhaps this shows the way the Batch 2 OPVs can free up other assets from routine benign or constabulary type roles.
Yokel mate shes going for Mid life refit not for other tasking's. And Argus is going out there as well with LOTS of flight deck space.
 

Yokel

LE
Yokel mate shes going for Mid life refit not for other tasking's. And Argus is going out there as well with LOTS of flight deck space.
Which kind of defeats the object as it means she cannot act in a mini LPH role as she did for BALTOPS last year. Doh!

MTSB will be ready for tasking after her refit. I remember when she was new a shiny, and I spent hours looking for w magazine spring. Top grub though.
 
Thought I saw Argus in Birkenhead yesterday?
Jut a qucik glimpse from the motorway so may have been mistaken.
Being tasked for it and being able to leave the dock wall are two entirely different things......

However Argus and the Bays are part of the Falmouth cluster so I would doubt it. But not impossible.

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Which kind of defeats the object as it means she cannot act in a mini LPH role as she did for BALTOPS last year. Doh!

MTSB will be ready for tasking after her refit. I remember when she was new a shiny, and I spent hours looking for w magazine spring. Top grub though.
But the object is to get the naval service doing nice shiny fluffy things to go on the news. War isn't popular anymore. Hence why the RN/RFA being on the verge of state on state conflict for two weeks in the gulf got written off as a paragraph talking about a joint exercise in Navy news...

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T26 wont go to sea with the by the time it finally enters service ancient Phalanx - its just for the artists impressions.

Meanwhile, we're back to the future with the Frigate with a very effective short range SAM goalkeeping as we cant bring ourselves to put Sea Ceptor on the carrier yet.

The Great White Chief is spot on, the RN needs to have a very grown up conversation with itself about lethality, and the lack of it, on its war canoes.
Gawd what am I doing?.... It's meerkat...

Have to agree with the last bit. Whilst the grown ups make a good fist of being ever so certain simply looking at the rather vast range of different calibres and missiles deployed around the world on Frigates and the like one could only posit that until someone starts trying to poke holes in war canoes in a proper bang bang situation we just don't know.

Certainly tubs with a lot more short range hardware than ours have been damaged by rather old technology ASMs, the Israeli Saar 5 springs to mind.. Indeed it seems that everytime a tub is pinged there is a story about comms gear interfering, the weapons systems being switched off or some other woulda coulda shoulda.

Last time I checked Sea Dart had the only ASM kill and Phalanx had only ever shot up a battleship and a friendly A6. And lots of mortar rounds I guess...

Not that I'm in any way agreeing that OPVs should be loaded up for bear. Or that aircraft carriers should do other than carry ircraft necessarily..Though I do rather suspect that even the grown ups are guessing, and guessing within rather tight budgetary constraints.
 

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