Offshore Patrol Vessels

. . . and why do you think that their Lordships invented BOST?

Not to find bolt heads stuck back on with araldite, or engine frames not welded down to decks.
If a commercial operator had been delivered ships as shoddily and deliberately badly built as these piles of junk, they’d have refused delivery and sued the crap out of the builder.
 
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Does any one know - care?! - if the Government’s “Job Creation Scheme” for BAeS, might have sufficient “flexibility” left within it, to retro-fit the rudimentary flight-deck (fitted to HMS Clyde), to the three earlier Batch 1 offshore patrol vessels (OPV), HMS Tyne, HMS Severn, and HMS Mersey?


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Interesting that HMS Forth, and HMS Trent, are both shown with Phalanx 20mm CIWS.

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Does any one know - care?! - if the Government’s “Job Creation Scheme” for BAeS, might have sufficient “flexibility” left within it, to retro-fit the rudimentary flight-deck (fitted to HMS Clyde), to the three earlier Batch 1 offshore patrol vessels (OPV), HMS Tyne, HMS Severn, and HMS Mersey?


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Interesting that HMS Forth, and HMS Trent, are both shown with Phalanx 20mm CIWS.

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Copied on the “Type 31 Frigate” thread.

photos River class patrol boat - Google Search:
I imagine the answer is no - Clyde is longer than the other Batch One RCOPVs. But for UK baaed tasking you have to wonder what advantage would a flight deck and landing aids offer?

Save the Royal Navy are just speculating about Bahrain and Falklands based OPVs carry a Phalanx.
 
I imagine the answer is no - Clyde is longer than the other Batch One RCOPVs. But for UK baaed tasking you have to wonder what advantage would a flight deck and landing aids offer?

Save the Royal Navy are just speculating about Bahrain and Falklands based OPVs carry a Phalanx.
Theyre speculating Clydes not for the chop as well
 
I imagine the answer is no - Clyde is longer than the other Batch One RCOPVs. But for UK based tasking you have to wonder what advantage would a flight deck and landing aids offer?

Save the Royal Navy are just speculating about Bahrain and Falklands based OPVs carry a Phalanx.
It is understood that the extra length of HMS Clyde is directly proportional, to the length of the flight deck (added to the earlier ships), that overhangs the stern;) .

Length: Batch 1 . . . . . : 79.5 m (260 ft 10 in)
Clyde extended length : 81.5 m (267 ft 5 in)
River-class patrol vessel - Wikipedia

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photos River Class Patrol Vessel HMS Clyde - Google Search
 
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They're speculating (that the) Clydes are not for the chop as well
Correct.

MoD has previously stated that their proportion of the "BREXIT contingency fund", will be used (in part), to fund the continued service of all four of the Batch 1 offshore patrol vessels (OPV).

Those English fishing grounds, are not going to protect themselves ;) .
 
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Does any one know - care?! - if the Government’s “Job Creation Scheme” for BAeS, might have sufficient “flexibility” left within it, to retro-fit the rudimentary flight-deck (fitted to HMS Clyde), to the three earlier Batch 1 offshore patrol vessels (OPV), HMS Tyne, HMS Severn, and HMS Mersey?


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Interesting that HMS Forth, and HMS Trent, are both shown with Phalanx 20mm CIWS.

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Copied on the “Type 31 Frigate” thread.

photos River class patrol boat - Google Search:


The only MOD thoughts on the Batch 2 OPV's is wether their is an argument to up gun them to a 76, a couple of 30's and some light ASuW missiles and call them Corvettes.
 
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Posted just because I have an inexplicable attraction to this series of little ships . . . River Class Minesweepers,

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A guy I used to work with was in the RNR at HMS Wessex and thought they were pretty good (HMS Itchen M2011 IIRC) except for the 40mm Bofors which he said was built in 1941, was taken off the last RN battleship and had a bent barrel. True dit he said, bollocks I said. Apparently she was sold to Brazil.
 
A guy I use opd to work with was in the RNR at HMS Wessex and thought they were pretty good (HMS Itchen M2011 M2009 IIRC) except for the 40mm Bofors which he said was built in 1941, was taken off the last RN battleship and had a bent barrel. True dit he said, bollocks I said. Apparently she was sold to Brazil.
Ship . . . . Commissioned . . . . . RN / RNR . . . . . Use . . . . Fate

Waveney (M2003) 12 July 1984 South Wales Division RNR -HMS Cambria
Sold to Bangladesh BNS Shapla (M95)​

Carron (M2004) 30 September 1984 Severn Division RNR - HMS Flying Fox
Sold to Bangladesh BNS Shaikat (M96)​

Dovey (M2005) 30 March 1985 Clyde Division RNR - HMS Graham
Sold to Bangladesh BNS Surovi (M97)​

Helford (M2006) 7 June 1985 Northern Ireland Division -HMS Caroline
Sold to Bangladesh BNS Shaibal (M98 )​


Humber (M2007) 7 June 1985 London Division RNR - HMS President
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mersey Division RNR - HMS Eaglet
Sold to Brazil Amorim Do Valle (H35) buoy tender (Photo below)

Blackwater (M2008 ) 5 July 1985 RN Fishery Protection Squadron
Sold to Brazil Benevente (P61) Small patrol corvette​

Itchen (M2009) 12 October 1985 Wessex Division RNR - HMS Wessex NI Squadron
Sold to Brazil Bracui (P60) Small patrol corvette​

Helmsdale (M2010) 1 March 1986 Tay Division RNR - HMS Camperdown
Sold to Brazil Taurus (H36) Coastal survey ship​


Orwell (M2011) 7 February 1985 Newcastle Division RNR -HMS Calliope
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dartmouth Training Squadron
Sold to Guyana GDFS Essequibo (1026) Coast Guard Vessel​


Ribble (M2012) 19 February 1986 Mersey Division RNR - HMS Eaglet
Sold to Brazil Garnier Sampaio (H37) Buoy tender​

Spey (M2013) 4 April 1986 Forth Division RNR -HMS Claverhouse NI Squadron
Sold to Brazil Bocaina (P62) Small patrol corvette​

Arun (M2014) 29 April 1986 Sussex Division RNR - HMS Sussex NI Squadron
Sold to Brazil Babetonga (P63) Small patrol corvette​

River-class minesweeper - Wikipedia

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Note: It is all "Displacement activity", as I am bored this afternoon - and, should be doing something else :( .
 
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The only MOD thoughts on the Batch 2 OPV's is wether their is an argument to up gun them to a 76, a couple of 30's and some light ASuW missiles and call them Corvettes.
Surely the addition of a 40mm CTA gun will turn it into a battleship...
 
Published by: Staff Writer, NAVALNEWS, on 15 Mar 2019.

BAE Systems hands over HMS Medway OPV.

The transformation of the patrol ship force has taken a big step forward as HMS Medway Batch 2 River-class OPV raised the White Ensign for the first time, the Royal Navy announced on March 13, 2019.


The ship was handed over from BAE Systems, whose workforce joined the ship’s company on the flight deck to celebrate the milestone. Meanwhile HMS Forth and her crew are in the final stages to resume trials and training.

“People think these ships are tiny. They are not,” said Lieutenant Sam Fields, Forth’s Executive Officer. “The rest of the Navy is in for a bit of a shock.”

The Batch 2 River-class ships are bigger, faster and have a greater range compared to Batch 1. They feature a flight deck for a Wildcat HMA2 or Merlin HM1 helicopter and an air search radar capable of seeing more than 90 miles. The 90-metre Batch 2 River-class ships are also equipped with a 16 tonne crane to lift supplies ashore on disaster relief missions and accommodation for up to 51 soldiers or Royal Marines.

The Royal Navy will not use them primarily for safeguarding fishing stocks in home waters but ‘forward deploy’ around the world.

Medway will be a couple of months behind Forth in going to sea for a second time. She is currently having military systems installed on the Clyde after her successful first spell at sea before Christmas.

After more trials and training, she’s due to sail for Portsmouth in July. In September she’ll have her commissioning on the river Medway. She will also exercise the Freedom of the Borough.

After that there’s front-line training ready for her maiden deployment overseas at the turn of 2019/20. For now, the crew of about 40 – two thirds the full strength of 58 – are concentrating on readying the ship for the return to sea in three months’ time.

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Stock Image of the Royal Navy HMS Medway OPV (Credit: Royal Navy)

BAE Systems hands over HMS Medway OPV - Naval News
 

Yokel

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The only MOD thoughts on the Batch 2 OPV's is wether their is an argument to up gun them to a 76, a couple of 30's and some light ASuW missiles and call them Corvettes.
Is MOD really thinking about these things? What situations would call for a 76mm gun and light anti ship missiles but not a frigate? A Wildcat would be more useful that what - a surface based version of Sea Venom?

Where will the extra AWW, WS, and WE people come from?
 
Is MOD really thinking about these things? What situations would call for a 76mm gun and light anti ship missiles but not a frigate? A Wildcat would be more useful that what - a surface based version of Sea Venom?

Where will the extra AWW, WS, and WE people come from?


See HK guard ships - used to be Tons with a 40mm Bofors, but the Chinese kept getting cheeky as they had 57's and couldn't be seen to back down to a smaller gun. Cue Birds with a 76, face saved.

It's a image thing in the backwaters of the world - back off or i'll have you with my 30mm only goes so far. See similar sized French Floréal class 'Patrol Frigates' with a 100.

Floréal Class Frigate - Naval Technology
 

Yokel

LE
I thought the reason Their Lordships had been so determined to resisting giving an OPV a 76mm gun and embarked helicopter was because of the danger the politicians will start to use them as frigates? Surely the danger of them facing hostile missile fire would justify at least a Phalanx? What about ASW?

Leeds Castle and Dumbarton Castle were sent south in 1982 with the Falklands task group. What exactly was there role - all I have ever seen is that they were used as 'dispatch vessels' - as in 'Go for..."

Anyone?
 
Is MOD really thinking about these things? What situations would call for a 76mm gun and light anti ship missiles but not a frigate? A Wildcat would be more useful that what - a surface based version of Sea Venom?

Where will the extra AWW, WS, and WE people come from?
Add a 76 and the Universe is conquered...
 
I thought the reason Their Lordships had been so determined to resisting giving an OPV a 76mm gun and embarked helicopter was because of the danger the politicians will start to use them as frigates? Surely the danger of them facing hostile missile fire would justify at least a Phalanx? What about ASW?

Leeds Castle and Dumbarton Castle were sent south in 1982 with the Falklands task group. What exactly was there role - all I have ever seen is that they were used as 'dispatch vessels' - as in 'Go for..."

Anyone?
according to mercopress

She proved to be a valuable workhorse, tirelessly transferring stores and mail to and from the larger warships and support vessels. At one point she found herself in the rescue role when her sea boat plucked the crew of a ditched Sea King from the icy waters, as well as the four-man crew of a capsized craft from the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Fort Grange which was involved in an unsuccessful effort to attach a line to the floating helicopter.
 
I thought the reason Their Lordships had been so determined to resisting giving an OPV a 76mm gun and embarked helicopter was because of the danger the politicians will start to use them as frigates? Surely the danger of them facing hostile missile fire would justify at least a Phalanx? What about ASW?

Leeds Castle and Dumbarton Castle were sent south in 1982 with the Falklands task group. What exactly was there role - all I have ever seen is that they were used as 'dispatch vessels' - as in 'Go for..."

Anyone?
Add a 76mm and the Universe is conquered...
Photo as most recently fitted with "Big Gun" . . . and, fire-fighting drills.

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In April 2010 Leeds Castle was sold to Bangladesh along with Dumbarton Castle. She left Portsmouth under tow for the A&P Group facility in Newcastle upon Tyne on 14 May 2010, where both ships underwent a major regeneration refit that was completed in December 2010.

In March 2011, Leeds Castle and Dumbarton Castle were recommissioned as the Dhaleshwari and Bijoy of the Bangladesh Navy respectively.

HMS Leeds Castle (P258) - Wikipedia
 

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