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officers

#1
if you join the rlc as an officer ,do you stay with one regiment/trade group for the rest of your career or do the move from job to job within the rlc???
 
#2
masher69 said:
if you join the rlc as an officer ,do you stay with one regiment/trade group for the rest of your career or do the move from job to job within the rlc???
They move between stores, blankets to duvets to boots,etrc. You get the gist..............
 
#3
An interesting question..

The forming Corps had differing approaches:

The RCT followed a very "generalist" formula, with an emphasis on regimental duty. Most technical expertise lay with SNCOS and LE officers.
RAOC officers all specialised in either Fuel, Ammuniton, Food supply, vehicle design or industrial managment and were trained in stores supply and inventory managment across the piece.
ACC officers were trained in catering (it is alledged!).
The Pioneer Corps did not recruit officers directly until very late, and were dependent on transferees, mostly from the infantry. They did latterly attend courses in supervisory management.
Posties were all (as I understand) LE.

The prevailing theory since the formation of the Corps is that DE Officers should be "generalists" and that the subject matter experts should be provided by either SNCOs or LE Officers, which was the RCT/Pioneer view..

Officers are therefore posted to any area where they do not need a specific qualitfication.

Recently however, it has become apparant that there is a need to re-grow technical expertise in the DE community and that the risks of leaving technical policy work to LE and and amateaur DE officers is becoming noticably high!

So we may see a change to more specialisation within the officer corps...

Or maybe not..
 
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#4
HE - that is not strictly true. The RLC continues to train and employ specialist ATOs, Pet Offrs, Food Svces Offrs, Posties and Maritime Types. In addition those with a mover background can pop in and out of mov jobs more easily than others might be able to.

The reason we specialise less is simply that there is no longer a big enough Army to justify lots of deep specialists - the RAOC had c 17 Brigadier ATO tied posts - now there are a few full Colonel jobs.

Where we have got it wrong is in equating generalist with transport - we have neglected training officers as well as we might in the supply bit of our job (but this is now being addressed).

To answer the original post, you can pretty much choose to do generalist jobs, or have a mix of specialist and generalist. Many of the current crop of COs have experience in a specialist area but are now doing generalist jobs.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
 
#5
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
I wondered how long it would take for a nibble! Perhaps you should remember that in the near fututre BOTH LOGISTIC BDEs will be commanded by a Late REME Brig. Oh sorry, we left you with one didn't we - 104. I am impressed by your engineering knowledge on thread types... top marks. Sadly, whitworth isn't used much anymore!
 
#8
HE117 said:
An interesting question..

The forming Corps had differing approaches:

The RCT followed a very "generalist" formula, with an emphasis on regimental duty. Most technical expertise lay with SNCOS and LE officers.
RAOC officers all specialised in either Fuel, Ammuniton, Food supply, vehicle design or industrial managment and were trained in stores supply and inventory managment across the piece.
ACC officers were trained in catering (it is alledged!).
The Pioneer Corps did not recruit officers directly until very late, and were dependent on transferees, mostly from the infantry. They did latterly attend courses in supervisory management.
Posties were all (as I understand) LE.The prevailing theory since the formation of the Corps is that DE Officers should be "generalists" and that the subject matter experts should be provided by either SNCOs or LE Officers, which was the RCT/Pioneer view..

Officers are therefore posted to any area where they do not need a specific qualitfication.

Recently however, it has become apparant that there is a need to re-grow technical expertise in the DE community and that the risks of leaving technical policy work to LE and and amateaur DE officers is becoming noticably high!

So we may see a change to more specialisation within the officer corps...

Or maybe not..
Close but no cigar. I reckon at formation approx 30% were LE, 50% were re-treads and 20% were DE.

P-T
 
#9
SeahorseSpanner said:
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
I wondered how long it would take for a nibble! Perhaps you should remember that in the near fututre BOTH LOGISTIC BDEs will be commanded by a Late REME Brig. Oh sorry, we left you with one didn't we - 104. I am impressed by your engineering knowledge on thread types... top marks. Sadly, whitworth isn't used much anymore!
Worth pointing out that the recently appointed "DG Logistics" is from the RE!
 
#10
Giancarlo_Badass said:
SeahorseSpanner said:
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
I wondered how long it would take for a nibble! Perhaps you should remember that in the near fututre BOTH LOGISTIC BDEs will be commanded by a Late REME Brig. Oh sorry, we left you with one didn't we - 104. I am impressed by your engineering knowledge on thread types... top marks. Sadly, whitworth isn't used much anymore!
Worth pointing out that the recently appointed "DG Logistics" is from the RE!
and COS LF is late RLC....blah blah blah
 
#11
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true. The RLC continues to train and employ specialist ATOs, Pet Offrs, Food Svces Offrs, Posties and Maritime Types. In addition those with a mover background can pop in and out of mov jobs more easily than others might be able to.

The reason we specialise less is simply that there is no longer a big enough Army to justify lots of deep specialists - the RAOC had c 17 Brigadier ATO tied posts - now there are a few full Colonel jobs.

Where we have got it wrong is in equating generalist with transport - we have neglected training officers as well as we might in the supply bit of our job (but this is now being addressed).
I do remember when CILSA was a 2* post, can't quite remember 17 1*, but you may be right. My point is really that the Army needs at least a core of military logistics experts, partularly in areas where there is no civilian equivalent such as in Ammuniton. The "cluster" that are the IPTs is a shining example of where we have seriously lost the plot. The RE seem to be able to retain their officer expertise, so where is the problem with the RLC?

Not disagreeing with you about the remaining specialist courses in the Corps, however there was a period when specialism was frowned on, and which still continues in the minds of some folk.. This does seem to be changing and not before time. The only way to get experts is to grow them...

I do think YOs would be better employed learning the stores system, and at least the basics of stock accounting rather than swanning around Leconfield in trucks.
 
#13
HE117 said:
I stand corrected....! (but how many did 20% actually account for - can't be many?
You might be surprised. At the time Postal was, IIRC, around 700 strong and spread across a Directorate, 2 Depots, 3 Regiments and numerous small 1/2 man dets.

The top of the tree was a Postie 1* followed by 2/3 Colonels and at least 7 Lt Colonels.

To give you some idea, the regiment supporting 1 BR Corps had a held strength of around 210 and was established for 10 officer posts.

I reckon there were around 45 officer slots within Postal, a good 17ish of which were command appointments.


P-T
 
#15
Giancarlo_Badass said:
SeahorseSpanner said:
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
I wondered how long it would take for a nibble! Perhaps you should remember that in the near fututre BOTH LOGISTIC BDEs will be commanded by a Late REME Brig. Oh sorry, we left you with one didn't we - 104. I am impressed by your engineering knowledge on thread types... top marks. Sadly, whitworth isn't used much anymore!
Worth pointing out that the recently appointed "DG Logistics" is from the RE!
That'll be Master General of Logistics then.
 
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#16
Seahorse - yes, jolly well done, you have two officers worthy of commanding logisiticians.

I am sure they will do a great job and not revert to the Corps default of producing jolly clever graphs and diagrams that prove, empirically, whatever it was they believed the problem was in the first place!
 
#17
really?_fascinating said:
Seahorse - yes, jolly well done, you have two officers worthy of commanding logisiticians.

I am sure they will do a great job and not revert to the Corps default of producing jolly clever graphs and diagrams that prove, empirically, whatever it was they believed the problem was in the first place!
dunno about that, but i just saw that 2 truck loads of yellow & black tape and a pallet load of H&S notice boards have been despatched to Aldershot and Gutersloh....REME...yawn!
 
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#18
I think it is a master stroke - in three years time, all the SOPs, SOIs and Comds Instructions will have been redrafted, authorised and laminated. The ECI will all be green and the COSHH lockers will be properly laid out. Reams of dull and serious paper will have been produced and all the processes will be highly polished.

At which point two RLC 1* can take over and go on operations, having been spared all the dull stuff.
 
#19
Giancarlo_Badass said:
SeahorseSpanner said:
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
I wondered how long it would take for a nibble! Perhaps you should remember that in the near fututre BOTH LOGISTIC BDEs will be commanded by a Late REME Brig. Oh sorry, we left you with one didn't we - 104. I am impressed by your engineering knowledge on thread types... top marks. Sadly, whitworth isn't used much anymore!
Worth pointing out that the recently appointed "DG Logistics" is from the RE!
Not that limp wristed wet blanket Evans is it???
 
#20
fatsplasher said:
Giancarlo_Badass said:
SeahorseSpanner said:
really?_fascinating said:
HE - that is not strictly true.

As for seahorse, of course, in the REME you can choose lots of different areas - Metric, Whitworth, AF and so on. It is not as if you are just turning the same bolts on different bits of kit is it?
I wondered how long it would take for a nibble! Perhaps you should remember that in the near fututre BOTH LOGISTIC BDEs will be commanded by a Late REME Brig. Oh sorry, we left you with one didn't we - 104. I am impressed by your engineering knowledge on thread types... top marks. Sadly, whitworth isn't used much anymore!
Worth pointing out that the recently appointed "DG Logistics" is from the RE!
Not that limp wristed wet blanket Evans is it???
Nope. MGL is a 4* appointment, currently vested in Chief of Defence Materiel (General Sir Kevin O'Donoghue). MGL is not tied appointment to CDM and initial thoughts were that ACDS (Log Ops) might be one to take on this appointment. Clearly, 4 stars are better than 2, whichever Corps the incumbent originates from.
 

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