Officers and CP role

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Hi there everyone, need to pick your brains quickly;

A mate of mine is filling out his officer application initial interest form at the moment and hes putting RMP down after Infantry as his second choice of role. He has been talking to a recruiter who has told him the normal number of wonderful tales they tell potential recruits. The result being that he has heard about the CP role that the RMP carry out and is keen to follow that path; I had some doubts as to the relevance of this for officer applicants, wanted to check here first before i questioned it whether RMP officers are:

a) eligible to do the RMP CP course and
b) whether there are normally officers on an RMP CP team.

Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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For goodness sake dont let more ruperts near CP as they fcuk things up,in my day about 20yra ago there were certain ruperts/rodneys who thought they knew all about CP and one in particular Major....B--on (Rashers) who really cocked things up, so tell your mate to join the infantry and leave my beloved corps out of it.
 
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Finished a CP tour last year where the Team Leader was an officer. He was a spot on bloke, ran the team brilliantly and we had a good tour, however he had come through the ranks and had completed previous tours as an NCO.
As for direct entry officers doing the job mmmmm.......?
 
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I was always informed that an Officer could do the course, but he was f* lucky to get a tour outa it, however not being CP myself i couldn't say
 
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fdj12 said:
For goodness sake dont let more ruperts near CP as they fcuk things up,in my day about 20yra ago there were certain ruperts/rodneys who thought they knew all about CP and one in particular Major....B--on (Rashers) who really cocked things up, so tell your mate to join the infantry and leave my beloved corps out of it.
He was still a c*ck when he was CO RMPTS. I'm still hoping that some bugger will soon post here that the little c*nt has died.....violently.
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
fdj12 said:
For goodness sake dont let more ruperts near CP as they fcuk things up,in my day about 20yra ago there were certain ruperts/rodneys who thought they knew all about CP and one in particular Major....B--on (Rashers) who really cocked things up, so tell your mate to join the infantry and leave my beloved corps out of it.
He was still a c*ck when he was CO RMPTS. I'm still hoping that some bugger will soon post here that the little c*nt has died.....violently.
You telling me that the prick rose to the rank of Lt Col.......jesus christ, I think Ill rejoin and try myself to get Lt Col. What a waster he was and possibly no probably still is. I wouldnt urinate on him if he was on fire, boy was i glad when i left his presence for good.
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
fdj12 said:
For goodness sake dont let more ruperts near CP as they fcuk things up,in my day about 20yra ago there were certain ruperts/rodneys who thought they knew all about CP and one in particular Major....B--on (Rashers) who really cocked things up, so tell your mate to join the infantry and leave my beloved corps out of it.
He was still a c*ck when he was CO RMPTS. I'm still hoping that some bugger will soon post here that the little c*nt has died.....violently.
As a CO of the TS I don't think he was that bad sure a little nuts and maybe he did like to wrestle young men in their boxers but the only people who had problems with him were the card carrying lefty types and those who were sh1t scared of him! I thought he was quite amusing and certainly not worth the instant violent death hopes of some. If the OC had been stronger, he would have stayed well away and this was only compounded by the WO's who primed him for their dirty work- Cowards
 
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You obviously never heard about his encounter with Armed Sussex Police Officers on Broyle Road then? Cut short, he decided that he'd had enough of the CFT (reckoned that the PTI was taking them the wrong way), after making a complete c*nt of himself he in front of the recruits, he heads off on his own for the barracks, complete with rifle.

A 'concerned' citizen, let's call him......'Steve', reported an 'armed' man heading towards the camp and Bacon was intercepted by two Sussex ARVs, on Broyle Road. The usual 'Do you know who I am' tripe saw him frog marched into the Guardroom by the cops for proof.

If only he had a tan and the incident happened after the London bombings, the little slimy f*ck might have been topped. I saw him out in Afganistan a couple of years ago, but didn't have my rifle with me at the time. Had I done so, I may have been typing this from the 'trustees' library in Bellmarsh.
 
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Why is CP a simian trade?

Please don't tell me that monkeys are better soldiers or that one has to have policing skills to be a good CP operator or chimps are more able to operate in plain clothes etc etc etc because that is all horseshiite. I would love to see a really good argument put forward for the rationale behind it. (I listened to all the arguments for keeing it in the monkey world during a visit to the CP trg estab and was not convinced by any of them).

Seems a shame to not open a great trade to the rest of the army in its entirety and give the CP world a far greater choice.

Or is it 'ape-inchief's' transparent effort to mitigate against the effects of the next round of military cuts by suggesting that plastic coppers are the only pax who can cut the mustard in that environment ? :frustrated:
 
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Duty_Fed said:
Biscuits_AB said:
fdj12 said:
For goodness sake dont let more ruperts near CP as they fcuk things up,in my day about 20yra ago there were certain ruperts/rodneys who thought they knew all about CP and one in particular Major....B--on (Rashers) who really cocked things up, so tell your mate to join the infantry and leave my beloved corps out of it.
He was still a c*ck when he was CO RMPTS. I'm still hoping that some bugger will soon post here that the little c*nt has died.....violently.
As a CO of the TS I don't think he was that bad sure a little nuts and maybe he did like to wrestle young men in their boxers but the only people who had problems with him were the card carrying lefty types and those who were sh1t scared of him! I thought he was quite amusing and certainly not worth the instant violent death hopes of some. If the OC had been stronger, he would have stayed well away and this was only compounded by the WO's who primed him for their dirty work- Cowards
I must have been a right card carrying leftie then.
 
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tattybadger said:
Why is CP a simian trade?

Please don't tell me that monkeys are better soldiers etc etc etc or that one has to have policing skills to be a good CP operator - seems a shame to not open a great trade to the rest of the army in its entirety and give the CP world a far greater choice.

Or is it 'ape-inchief's' transparent effort to mitigate against the effects of the next round of military cutcan protects by suggesting that plastic coppers are the only pax who can cut the mustard in that environment ? :frustrated:
Hey, don't tell us how to do our job eh?...we don't tell you how to sweep up.
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
tattybadger said:
Why is CP a simian trade?

Please don't tell me that monkeys are better soldiers etc etc etc or that one has to have policing skills to be a good CP operator - seems a shame to not open a great trade to the rest of the army in its entirety and give the CP world a far greater choice.

Or is it 'ape-inchief's' transparent effort to mitigate against the effects of the next round of military cutcan protects by suggesting that plastic coppers are the only pax who can cut the mustard in that environment ? :frustrated:
Hey, don't tell us how to do our job eh?...we don't tell you how to sweep up.
You failed to answer my question. Or perhaps you can't?
 
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Not at all Tattie B. It's been a RMP role for decades. They've developed the whole package so far that the RMP course is considered one of the best avaiable. I can see why it would be attracive to other badges, but why should RMP hand it over? RMP don't whine about not having access to mortars or bridging eqpt so why should they hand over thier specialist role to you? Why should it be opened up to all and sundry? Maybe you can answer that question?
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
Not at all Tattie B. It's been a RMP role for decades. They've developed the whole package so far that the RMP course is considered one of the best avaiable. I can see why it would be attracive to other badges, but why should RMP hand it over? RMP don't whine about not having access to mortars or bridging eqpt so why should they hand over thier specialist role to you? Why should it be opened up to all and sundry? Maybe you can answer that question?
Nope - still not a convincing and rationale argument. Not sure the historical thing has anything to do with a rationale argument for or aginst it. I understand the emotion behind wanting to keep it the preserve of the Fuzz, but not the logic.

My question is why is it a spec simian role? It operates, by and large, outside of a CA environment, so no requirement to have an understanding of other arms roles etc. It's a role that requires certain mil abilities that cross the functional boundaries and there is not a logical (as far as I can see) link to RMP activities.

As an aside, I have to say that when I paid a visit to the trg centre I came away with a vaguely uneasy feeling that these chaps thought that they were a bit special, which they weren't.

So - my question remains extant. Why is CP the preserve of the RMP?
 
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Countering possible assaults and worse on individuals is clearly a police role. Compare the civpol set-up. As BAB says, it is historical. There is no reason to change it other than it being attractive and with a good resale value in civil security life. I suppose anyone could fly choppers. Maybe odd bods doing brain surgery?
 
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Its worth remembering that individual Corps do not dictate which roles they conduct. It was an MOD level decision some time ago that that the CP role was best conducted by the RMP and assets from the other two services (RM Police Troop and RAF). All three branches are able to release personnel for protracted periods without a major impact on their combat capability. A teeth arm unit might not be able to do the same.

Also due to the nature of their jobs police assets are also accustomed to working individually (largely unsupervised) from a very early stage in their careers or in close knit teams, an important factor when working in a diplomatic mission or when working in to a military VIP.
 
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