Officer Special to Arm training

#1
Just wondering if someone could give me a quick heads up of what happens to an RLC officer after RMAS. I have looked on the RLC website but it is under construction. I presume they do some form of special to arm course but what does this involve? Is there a general grounding in RLC operations before specialising further and if so, into what?

Thanks in advance!
 
#2
Following commissioning from RMAS, all RLC young officers then attend the RLC Troop Commander's Course based mainly at the School of Logistics in Deepcut. (It might now be called the Defence College of Logistics?) In total it is about 3-4 months long and gives Tp Comds a basic grounding in all RLC operations, with an overview of all the specialisms etc ATO, Pet, Food etc.

Included in the course is a module run at the Defence School of Transport in Leconfield where you will learn about trucks and stuff and go into more detail about transport operations and transport legislation etc. Leconfield is the subject of another thread on here, but going there as an officer means that you manage to sidestep most the bullsh*t that goes on there.

The course is reasonably good fun, there are plenty of trips out to see the various different parts of the Corps; Ammo/EOD at Kineton, AD at Lyneham, Pioneer and rail ops at Biscester, Sport and pastime at Marchwood, fuel installations and firefighting in Bournemouth etc.

hopefully that's some use. :roll:
 
#3
Thanks B_F_B it was.

Is there anything after that in terms of specialisation or do you join your regiment from there and after a bit of time with your unit gain the relevant specialist courses?
 
#4
After the Troopies Course, you'll be posted to one of the mainstream Regts (1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9, 24, 27 etc) where you'll probably do about 2 yrs as a Tp Comd. During your second year you'll be asked whether you want to do a long technical course (they ask you out of curtesy, often you'll have no choice). If you do have a preference about whether you want to be a cabbage sniffer :cry:, a stinking fuellie :evil:, a stamp licker :oops: or a bomb disposal hero :D, then you can opt for a particular trade.

The RLC long course selection board will be published during your second year and if you have been picked for a particular course you'll be posted onto it. If you haven't, or you have specifcally requested that you stay mainstream (trucks & blankets) and not do a long course, then you'll be posted in the normal way, swapping between mainstream (Log Sp) Regts.
 
#5
Condottieri said:
Just wondering if someone could give me a quick heads up of what happens to an RLC officer after RMAS. I have looked on the RLC website but it is under construction. I presume they do some form of special to arm course but what does this involve? Is there a general grounding in RLC operations before specialising further and if so, into what?

Thanks in advance!
You join the RLC get lied to by MCM Div and never get the posting that you want. My best advice, get to know your desk officer or when completing a PPP, pick your choice of jobs carefully!! :?
 
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#6
Boo hoo! The Army is so unfair. Always got the jobs I wanted. Hopefully, got some that the bloke above wanted, although that might reinforce his persecution complex.
 
#7
Bullet_fixer_BDH said:
After the Troopies Course, you'll be posted to one of the mainstream Regts (1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9, 24, 27 etc) where you'll probably do about 2 yrs as a Tp Comd. During your second year you'll be asked whether you want to do a long technical course (they ask you out of curtesy, often you'll have no choice). If you do have a preference about whether you want to be a cabbage sniffer :cry:, a stinking fuellie :evil:, a stamp licker :oops: or a bomb disposal hero :D, then you can opt for a particular trade.

The RLC long course selection board will be published during your second year and if you have been picked for a particular course you'll be posted onto it. If you haven't, or you have specifcally requested that you stay mainstream (trucks & blankets) and not do a long course, then you'll be posted in the normal way, swapping between mainstream (Log Sp) Regts.

believe you me...we dont let the Petroleum Officers anywhere near fuel!!!!!!
"Sir, when the Brig comes stand in front of the site, tell him how over-worked we are then go back to the CP"!
 
#8
so, condittori, it appears that after graduating from the 'school of failure and no supply' with your sights set firmly on mediocrity, you'll be 'protected' from making any genuine decisions by seniors like c5h120 (some sort of alcohol, my gcse chemistry indicates).

sounds great. in addition, if you spend 16 long months learning how to count bullets and don't retire then you've got a 90% chance of making half colonel!!!*

*source: anon rlc capt who has recently completed said cse.

no doubt it'll be disputed!!
 
#9
Guys (maybe girls - hard to tell at times!)

You are forgetting the prestigous technical!!! cse known as the Officers Maritime Long Cse. When you complete this cse (6 mths long, working hours 1000 - 1200, 5 days a week), you get to drive a canoe in the solent and plan operations across the thames!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#10
You are forgetting the prestigous technical!!! cse known as the Officers Maritime Long Cse. When you complete this cse (6 mths long, working hours 1000 - 1200, 5 days a week), you get to drive a canoe in the solent and plan operations across the thames!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So who referee's the volleyball when they decide to pull up on a passing island? Granted its not always the Isle of Wight.
 
#11
Sixteen months counting bullets WOW I do that everytime I go on the range
 
#13
Not quite how hard can the AT course. Cut the blue wire it works in the movies, small then its a bullet, big then its a bomb simple
 
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#14
bitte

There is nothing quite like an informed, intelligent contribution. Yours was nothing like informed or intelligent.

As for 90% chance of making Lt Col - you have clearly met a very poorly informed junior Captain. Out of interest, what are your chances of making Lt Col?
 
#15
rf,

my very poorly informed friend also indicated that even without the flaming arrsehole badge chances of promotion (for DE offrs) to lt col stood at 86%. but let us not be fooled by statistics for they are like a short skirt - whilst they give you a good idea, they hide what is really important. clearly i am not saying that 90% of offrs who complete the ato cse become lt cols, because that is sheer idiocy. i am indicating that of those ato offrs who never sign off (ie serve to the 55 year point) 90% will 'pink'. the reason this may appear artificially high is because many majors, having reached the 16 year point, realise that they will probably not promote and select to begin a second career (ie bugger off). so of those left who are eligible for promotion, 90% will eventually promote.

incidentally i am not saying that all of these lt cols will command, a large proportion of them will bounce between endless staff jobs.

there is no way i can currently assess my personal chances of promotion to lt col, and even if i could i would not dare to do so on arrse!! it seems however that the rank of lt col is held in far too much esteem. compared to civilian life (and indeed, within the armed forces) it is very much middle management and commands a relatively mediocre salary. surely it is the minimum aspiration (in terms of final salary) for all DE offrs?
 
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bitte

There is nothing quite like an informed, intelligent contribution. Yours was nothing like informed or intelligent.

As for 90% chance of making Lt Col - you have clearly met a very poorly informed junior Captain. Out of interest, what are your chances of making Lt Col?
Ah, RF. Quick to criticise. Actually I think you will find that bitte is fairly accurate, and luckily I speak from a genuinely informed position. Perhaps you could take your informed and intelligent contribution to a forum where you know what you are talking about.
 
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bitte_ein_bit said:
so, condittori, it appears that after graduating from the 'school of failure and no supply' with your sights set firmly on mediocrity, you'll be 'protected' from making any genuine decisions by seniors like c5h120 (some sort of alcohol, my gcse chemistry indicates).
sounds great. in addition, if you spend 16 long months learning how to count bullets and don't retire then you've got a 90% chance of making half colonel!!!*

*source: anon rlc capt who has recently completed said cse.

no doubt it'll be disputed!!
The 'School of Failure and No Supply' and sights set on mediocrity bit was the bit I objected to, together with the 'protected from genuine decisions.' Hardly informed or intelligent.

As for the 90% of DE Capts who stay the course promote to Lt Col - I am sure that the RLC MCM Div presentation I sat through this morning would have made great play of that particular fact. In contrast, they indicated that last year, 250 Majors qualified and recommended for promotion were boarded for Lt Cols appts. Of those, 21 have been selected for promotion to Lt Col. Having reviewed the star chart and speaking to MCM Div, it is clear that far more than 10% of those boarded will never promote. Indeed, the vast of those 250 Majors will never promote. That figure does not of course take into account the sizable number of Majors who received a Dev or No indication for promtion one rank. I am of course an uninformed amateur at this, and only spend days on end doing MS. Perhaps Louis you know better than the peole who manage RLC Officers careers - love to hear your evidence old chap.
 
#18
All well and good RF, but I think you'll find that bitte was suggesting that of those attending a certain bullet counting course (i.e ATO) 90% will promote to Lt Col.

bitte_ein_bit said:
in addition, if you spend 16 long months learning how to count bullets and don't retire then you've got a 90% chance of making half colonel!!!*
Not quite the same as 90% of all DE officers I think you'll agree. Having said that, looking through the post, I would question the statistic that 86% of all DE officers will pink. I suppose the point that bitte is making is that a majority of those majors who realise whey won't get promoted leave and those who remain as 'passed over' majors form the 14% (or 10% in the case of ATOs). For my part, I agree with RF that this figure of 14% is too low, but this just further highlights the fact that ATOs have a greater chance of promoting than your average Loggy Officer, the merits of which I have no particular view on, either positively or negatively.

Just remember that MCM Div remains convinced that the loss of quality captains is not a problem, even though the number of relatively junior subleterns doing jobs above what is normally expected of them, and the number of LEs required to fill traditionally DE jobs is high. Given this, I continue to question their statistics.
 
#19
RF,

you've got to be able to laugh at yourself, and if you take offence at the banter on this message board then don't log on (similarly, if you are muslim don't read the danish or french press - freedom of speech and all that). i think the rlc is great on the whole (esp considering the excellent chance of promotion to lt col!) as you will see from some of my previous posts. as a member, i do however reserve the right to be sarcastic about it. that sarcasm is based upon the following two key areas where, in my humble opinion, the rlc could be improved:

1. the school of log, which appears to me to be mediocre at best and full of people for whom everything is too difficult/expensive. mcm div make out that only the best are sent there as instrs, when this is clearly not the case - certainly in terms of recent, relevant experience. as such the credibility of the school is undermined. it should be a centre of excellence where academic rigour abounds and people are constructively worked hard.

2. the reluctance of the sgts mess to pass info to the offrs mess for fear of diminishing their importance. technically skilled snco's (esp sup cons) make their trade out to be a black art. i wholly respect their years of experience and how vital they are to successful operations, but they seem overly protective about 'revealing the secrets of their trade'. again, if clearer and more dedicated instruction was given at the school of log then this wouldn't be such a problem, and seniors like c5h120 would be able to allow his tp comd to do more than just sit in the cp.

RF, perhaps you are so agitated because you are having to assess your chances of pinking and the realities of life are not so pleasant? if so i'm sorry, but i am currently happy to live in my bubble of naivety and consider doing the ato cse as a way of improving my chances of promotion! (clearly they need it, if your assessment of my intelligence is in any way accurate!)
 
#20
Bitt,

Haven't you been taught that one uses capital letters to start a sentence?

You are clearly a reletively junior officer. At this stage of your career, you should be interested in enjoying yourself and not concentrating on what jobs/courses you need to do in order to promote in 10 years time.
 

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