Officer reenlistment.

#1
Hello Arrse,

I left the army at the end of my short service commission after an average performance in an infantry battalion. During my service I appreciated that I would have enjoyed my time more as a private soldier and most likely done better as an NCO than a middle of the road officer.

What are the rules on Officers rejoining amongst the ranks, Im not aware of it having been done before. I presume a change of Arm is a necessity, but if one were to join the Royal Marines would any record of previous service be carried over as I presume my service number would reappear when my details are typed into JPA.

Thankyou for all sensible advice.

Ponder.
 
#2
Hello Arrse,

I left the army at the end of my short service commission after an average performance in an infantry battalion. During my service I appreciated that I would have enjoyed my time more as a private soldier and most likely done better as an NCO than a middle of the road officer.

What are the rules on Officers rejoining amongst the ranks, Im not aware of it having been done before. I presume a change of Arm is a necessity, but if one were to join the Royal Marines would any record of previous service be carried over as I presume my service number would reappear when my details are typed into JPA.

Thankyou for all sensible advice.

Ponder.
I have heard of it being done before, although this was in the pre-JPA era. I can see nothing in QRs or similar that specifically stops you from applying - however I suspect this is because QRs assume you will go from commissioned service straight onto the RARO rather that join the ranks.

I would guess this is a question you would have to ask the ACIO directly as they would, in turn, have to seek guidance from DM (A) and they can then give you the party line.
 
#3
Hello Arrse,

I left the army at the end of my short service commission after an average performance in an infantry battalion. During my service I appreciated that I would have enjoyed my time more as a private soldier and most likely done better as an NCO than a middle of the road officer.

What are the rules on Officers rejoining amongst the ranks, Im not aware of it having been done before. I presume a change of Arm is a necessity, but if one were to join the Royal Marines would any record of previous service be carried over as I presume my service number would reappear when my details are typed into JPA.

Thankyou for all sensible advice.

Ponder.
This seems crazy. I can't even begin to imagine the weirdness of being a private soldier in presumably mid to late 20's having already done Sandhurst, PCD and a tour as a platoon commander.


How would you cope, what do you imagine the reaction of other soldiers/DS in basic would be if they found out about your prior experience? I'm genuinely interested.
 
#4
..............................Well,

I know of a 4 Para Company Commander, who joined 3 Para, as a Tom in my Platoon.

He went on to become a full screw about 3 years later, before going to 22 as a Trooper.

On completion of his tour he then went & took up a Commission.

Admittedly quite a while back, but it has been done!
 
#5
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FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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#6
Hello Arrse,

I left the army at the end of my short service commission after an average performance in an infantry battalion. During my service I appreciated that I would have enjoyed my time more as a private soldier and most likely done better as an NCO than a middle of the road officer.

What are the rules on Officers rejoining amongst the ranks, Im not aware of it having been done before. I presume a change of Arm is a necessity, but if one were to join the Royal Marines would any record of previous service be carried over as I presume my service number would reappear when my details are typed into JPA.

Thankyou for all sensible advice.

Ponder.
Wah shield etc - Even if it's allowed, I suspect that the system will view you with extreme suspicion unless you are working in a very esoteric area. Whatever you decide, attempting to withhold relevant information, previous service comes into that category, is not good strategy and I'm surprised you even asked about it.
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#7
It sounds like a shit idea to me. if you didn't enjoy it as a platoon commander it won't get any better as a Tom: you might well be better off making gazillions as an investment banker and joining the HAC or some such organisation.

On the question of the rules... I remember people who resigned their commissions in a very complete way to attempt things like R Sqn selection, but even they were ultimately being looked at as potential officers. I suspect it's the kind of thing that happens in wartime but rarely otherwise.
 
#10
Regarding not enjoying it as an officer and thus not enjoying it as a soldier they are fundamentally different careers. A mess of 12 thrusting vindictive competitive Officers is very different to a platoon of 24. Being an investment banker in the city (or for sake of argument, any other) and joining the HAC has little appeal, as I do not enjoy or relish managerial positions, I lead successfully and tactically was sound, but the idea of a coy 2ic of BHQ job does not appeal, call it naivety but realitically how much does one understand the complexities of an officer's career path on entry to RMAS or on exit from PCD where the entire recruitment and training process concentrates on those first few years at junior command.

Re: the DS and other recruits, If you have the humility to sack off the commission in order to stand alongside them, then I see no cause for them to mark you apart for any more special treatment than they give anyone else. Banter will always be banter and if I dont play up to it I imagine they'll get bored of it fairly quickly. Re: the DS, Im being taught another role, I didnt perfect the role of LMG or ECM carrier during the 44 weeks at RMAS so why would my knowledge of a platoon attack conflict with their lesson plan. As a Pl Comd I had an opinion on the Colonel's absurd use of manpower and kept it to myself, so equally as a Bod Id bite my lip and crack on to the best of my ability.

This is not a bitter and vitriolic attack against my former capbadge, I merely wonder whether its possible to make a regain, under graduate soldier etc Id imagine its easier now than it may have been in the past, especially if I changed arm (?)
 
#11
the problem you may have if say you try Royal Marines/Royal Navy/RAF is that they may see you as a potential officer with your background, degree & experience, hence you may end up as an officer whether you like it or not.
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#12
Regarding not enjoying it as an officer and thus not enjoying it as a soldier they are fundamentally different careers ... under graduate soldier etc Id imagine its easier now than it may have been in the past, especially if I changed arm (?)
The point is that they aren't fundamentally different careers: they're different streams within the same organisation. Obviously I don't know you or anything much about you but I do feel that if you were disappointed by life as an officer, you won't find it much more enjoyable in the ranks.
 
#15
If you joined my Sqn as a Signaller, I'd have you as my Ops Siggie in my office proof reading OSW and MS!
Career management win!
 
#16
I hope you were not a Guards Officer!
I cant see the army letting you play at being a squaddie.
You went to RMAS, you recieved a commission and you were an Officer of the Queen. Letting you now revert to become a ranker, old boy, wouldnt sit well.
I wouldnt want an ex-rupert in my platoon. You'll be viewed with no small amount of suspicion - and no matter how hard you try you'll always come to a bridge where you think you can do your boss's job better - but you binned that chance - and that will eat away at you.
 
#17
Career management win!
You have no idea how amazing it would be to have a proof reading bitch! Would give me a few more sports afternoons, anyway!

I do, in fact, jest. I am not actually so callous that I would subject an OR to such punishment. However, commanders play to their subordinates strengths, so I wouldn't be surprised if a Pte with such a high level or numeracy/literacy/common sense got given tasks a little bit more demanding than sweeping the shop floor. Also, the weight of expectation would be higher, and I wouldn't expect the CoC to be overly impressed with cruising from someone who clearly could cut the mustard at RMAS/PCBC.
 
#18
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Mr_Logic

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#19
Hello Arrse,

Stuff......

Thankyou for all sensible advice.

Ponder.
Ponder

I am sure that there is something in QR's about this, and while it is not prohibited (IIRC), it may well raise a few eye-brows. However, having read through the thread so far, I am surprised that no-one has mentioned a chap called TE Lawrence, who after reaching the heady ranks of Colonel, post WWI enlisted in first the RAF and then the Royal Tank Corps. Therefore, there is certainly precedent.

My advice (FWIW) is that if it is what you want, you should push for it. You presumably have nothing to lose for trying. Out of interest, how old are you now? What about the Foreign Legion? Simon Murray made it sound very entertaining.

Logic
 
#20
Im 28 now, Hereford have said Id be expected to go for officer if I approached UKSF Reserve, FFL are a constant temptation, but the "ribbing" I might get for being a rupert in the British forces I imagine would be full on abuse in the more aggreeively NCO led French outfit.
 

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