Offending the god botherers

Brotherton Lad

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You're familiar with the history of the catholic church then.

As to launching wars, the spat between England and Spain and later France just because 'enry the eighth told the Pope to do one, must have been the first great punch up between Christians. Northern Europe joined in a bit later when Luther among others also told the Pope to do one.
This might have been good news for the Jews as it was bound to have taken the heat of them for a while. They might even have thought that it was all their birthdays and Christmases erm Passover Feasts rolled into one.
Hardly. Try the Great Schism of 1054.
 
Hardly. Try the Great Schism of 1054.
But did it go military like Spain v England with the English navy turning spanish ships into submergable vessels en masse? Later the same thing happening to french ships. The Schism seemed to be more of a high level squabble among leading church figures.
 

Brotherton Lad

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But did it go military like Spain v England with the English navy turning spanish ships into submergable vessels en masse? Later the same thing happening to french ships. The Schism seemed to be more of a high level squabble among leading church figures.
It went military against Islam. The Byzantines lost that one. Mind you, the Crusaders turned over Constantinople on the way to the Promised Land.
 
It went military against Islam. The Byzantines lost that one. Mind you, the Crusaders turned over Constantinople on the way to the Promised Land.
A more brutal and violent period of history would be hard to find, and all in the name of religion(s).
 
This is why I dislike religion.

It forces so much crap on people, when when it comes to money, they cannot hide their true colours and their principles and piousness fucks off out of the window.


Just in time for Ramadan.

Reminds me in my early days there and someone (probably dropped off in the middle of the desert at some point) managed to schedule the Dubai World Cup horse racing at the same time as one of the religious holidays, Profit's Birthday probably...

Anyway, the solution was to declare the event 'International' and therefore exempt from the statutory 'Dry' night the evening before the holiday.

Never let money get in the way of earning a buck.

Wankers.
 
Yes when they aren't persecuting, launching wars, promoting rampant idolatry in the guise of "devotional objects", torturing people by inducing false guilt, deluding people into thinking they are the only path to god, promoting hatred of people because of their sexual orientation, enabling kiddy fiddling etc etc
So politics then...
 
Now to something more involved. The Children of Israel or Moses Mob.
Corona has given me the excuse I sort of need to spend more time surfing. Porn has been done and dusted so I decided to have a gander at Hebrew, more specifically the alefbet. Not really impossible to learn it just seems that way. Following the various links I found a bit about Jewish religious days. First of the Sabbath, vaguely remember that from Bible classes half a century ago, JC telling the Pharisees to do one because they gave grief to children playing on the Sabbath. Well that's only a small part of it, there is a list of 39 things you cannot do on the Sabbath, that raises the question, is there anything that a practicing Jew can do on the Sabbath? Or do modern Jews take little or no notice of the Sabbath?
Over to the Jewish Arrsers for comment please.
 
Now to something more involved. The Children of Israel or Moses Mob.
Corona has given me the excuse I sort of need to spend more time surfing. Porn has been done and dusted so I decided to have a gander at Hebrew, more specifically the alefbet. Not really impossible to learn it just seems that way. Following the various links I found a bit about Jewish religious days. First of the Sabbath, vaguely remember that from Bible classes half a century ago, JC telling the Pharisees to do one because they gave grief to children playing on the Sabbath. Well that's only a small part of it, there is a list of 39 things you cannot do on the Sabbath, that raises the question, is there anything that a practicing Jew can do on the Sabbath? Or do modern Jews take little or no notice of the Sabbath?
Over to the Jewish Arrsers for comment please.
It's determined by level of orthodoxy rather than just by modernity, It's a religion that requires community so your brand of orthodoxy is likely to be influenced by your community (and vice versa).
Apart from the traditionally acknowledged number of 613 commandments in the Old Testament, there are all the laws and regulations developed by the Jewish Sages - as set out in the Talmud. Basically a rule for what you have to do and what you musn't do for every moment.
Though I personally found keeping the sabbath boring and restrictive, I can vouch for the fact that many people like it, as they find it's a way of creating a sort of island of peace in the busy week.
 
Jesus is now a doctor, I thought he could magically heal the sick anyway.

Mrs. Cohen is pushing the stroller with her baby twins along Golders Green Rd. when she meets Mrs. Levy.
Admiring the twins Mrs. Levy asks "How are the little sweeties doing?"
"Well, the doctor is fine but the lawyer has started teething."
 
Thanks to Corona, I in turn have been perusing the web.
I found this former devout Christian, who's videos provide great clarification of @scarbrough's earlier statement that we have no way of knowing whether what is written in the bible is true.

I give you, Professor Bart D. Ehrman, who should be granted honorary membership of this thread.

 
I found this former devout Christian, who's videos provide great clarification of @scarbrough's earlier statement that we have no way of knowing whether what is written in the bible is true.
That's not exactly new. The various bits of the Bible were all written at different times long after the Romans crucified JC. There are no witness accounts, however researchers in Israel among other places have determined that certain events are based on facts, but have become heavily distorted over time. For example the Passover almost certainly did happen but was not an act of God, more of a natural disaster that hit the Egyptians harder than the Jews. Likewise Moses and the Israelites almost certainly did manage to cross the Red Sea unscathed, or how else would they have reached the promised land? No act of God involved, Moses merely understood the tidal system better than the Egyptians. The Old Testament is therefore a bit more credible than the New Testament, that gets really wierd. It starts off with the birth of JC, no chance that that was immaculate conception, because while it is theoretically possible any resulting child will be a female, a clone of the mother. There is no other DNA involved therefore the offspring can only be female. It all slides downhill from there.
 
Now to something more involved. The Children of Israel or Moses Mob.
Corona has given me the excuse I sort of need to spend more time surfing. Porn has been done and dusted so I decided to have a gander at Hebrew, more specifically the alefbet. Not really impossible to learn it just seems that way. Following the various links I found a bit about Jewish religious days. First of the Sabbath, vaguely remember that from Bible classes half a century ago, JC telling the Pharisees to do one because they gave grief to children playing on the Sabbath. Well that's only a small part of it, there is a list of 39 things you cannot do on the Sabbath, that raises the question, is there anything that a practicing Jew can do on the Sabbath? Or do modern Jews take little or no notice of the Sabbath?
Over to the Jewish Arrsers for comment please.

As i was born into a jewish family, of modern progressive Jewish English born parents, Mum was brought up by her practicing parents, as was dad, not totally mega Orthodox, as both family's were east Eastender's. I and my siblings in the 50's weren't constrained by the religious teachings of the Torah, and grew up doing the things that all kids done at the time. Our ultra orthodox Hasidic Jewish neighbours, colloquially known as the stamford hill cowboys, and gods own Cossack's, are the ones who follow it to the letter. I do not give a pikey's fart for any organised religion.


In answer to your question:-
No work of any kind, at all, in any way shape or kind, from sundown Friday to last light Saturday.
 
As i was born into a jewish family, of modern progressive Jewish English born parents, Mum was brought up by her practicing parents, as was dad, not totally mega Orthodox, as both family's were east Eastender's. I and my siblings in the 50's weren't constrained by the religious teachings of the Torah, and grew up doing the things that all kids done at the time. Our ultra orthodox Hasidic Jewish neighbours, colloquially known as the stamford hill cowboys, and gods own Cossack's, are the ones who follow it to the letter. I do not give a pikey's fart for any organised religion.


In answer to your question:-
No work of any kind, at all, in any way shape or kind, from sundown Friday to last light Saturday.
That answers the question quite nicely thanks.

Signallers are human after all.;)
 
As i was born into a jewish family, of modern progressive Jewish English born parents, Mum was brought up by her practicing parents, as was dad, not totally mega Orthodox, as both family's were east Eastender's. I and my siblings in the 50's weren't constrained by the religious teachings of the Torah, and grew up doing the things that all kids done at the time. Our ultra orthodox Hasidic Jewish neighbours, colloquially known as the stamford hill cowboys, and gods own Cossack's, are the ones who follow it to the letter. I do not give a pikey's fart for any organised religion.


In answer to your question:-
No work of any kind, at all, in any way shape or kind, from sundown Friday to last light Saturday.
which when followed fully includes:
no cooking/baking
no lighting of fire (includes switching on or off electricity and therefore use of electric devices)
no tearing/cutting - to include food wrapping / tins / toilet paper
no carrying outside of the house (unless you live in a walled city) - that means nothing can be carried
no travel
no playing musical instruments
work - includes hobbies DIY etc
the prohibition of work pertains to your entire household to include your slaves, servants, concubines and beasts
 

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