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ODP Officer

#1
Hi, I am a qualified ODP and have always been interested in joining the army directly as an officer (Was offered a Welbeck space when i was 16). I'm 23 now and have been down to my local careers office and have another meeting there early January. After reading this forum I can see that ODP's have just been offered commisions and from reading that topic it doesnt seem like anyone has taken one yet. I realise because of this nobody can give me much information on what the job would involve as an officer but can anyone tell me what an Army ODP role is like? Does it differ much from civilian ODP? Can you further your training or specialise? Also does anyone know whether just the diploma from ODP training is enough to go directly in as an officer? They ask for A-levels which i don't have and I'm not sure if my qualifications are equivalent.

Thankyou in advance for your advise,

Laurie
 
#2
have you tried ringing the ODP Trg school to see what you will need to do to become a ODP in the army , i undertsnd that you are qualified but there are a few differences that you may have to comply with to become a Class1 Military ODP. ( Transition to military Practice course)

I know way back when direct entrant ODP had to to CSSD and plasters to get their class 1 money

You will also need degree for commsion or when selcted you will be loaded on one

Im sure Filbert will have a say on this subject
 
#3
c0kecan said:
have you tried ringing the ODP Trg school to see what you will need to do to become a ODP in the army , i undertsnd that you are qualified but there are a few differences that you may have to comply with to become a Class1 Military ODP. ( Transition to military Practice course)

I know way back when direct entrant ODP had to to CSSD and plasters to get their class 1 money

You will also need degree for commsion or when selcted you will be loaded on one

Im sure Filbert will have a say on this subject
ODP isnt a degree tho at present. It's a DipHE :? I am a little confused tho, as seems other healthcare professionals can get a commission, such as Doctor, or Nurse. I was thinking that as soon as i've got my qualification, i'd be eligible for a commission as a healthcare professional? 8)
 
#4
Karabiner said:
laurie85 said:
Hi, I am a qualified ODP and have always been interested in joining the army directly as an officer (Was offered a Welbeck space when i was 16). I'm 23 now and have been down to my local careers office and have another meeting there early January. After reading this forum I can see that ODP's have just been offered commisions and from reading that topic it doesnt seem like anyone has taken one yet. I realise because of this nobody can give me much information on what the job would involve as an officer but can anyone tell me what an Army ODP role is like? Does it differ much from civilian ODP? Can you further your training or specialise? Also does anyone know whether just the diploma from ODP training is enough to go directly in as an officer? They ask for A-levels which i don't have and I'm not sure if my qualifications are equivalent.

Thankyou in advance for your advise,

Laurie
Not an ODP myself but I can certainly tell you that currently the ODP commission is only open to serving ODP in the rank of Staff Sergeant and above. However, if the apathy within the cadre continues then we may have to consider Direct Entry as a route in.
Could i ask what rank and pay a qualifed ODP would enter the Army at? cheers 8)
 
#5
Dave,
Even Qualified ODP's who join the army have to start at the rank of Private, this has been a stumbling block for recruitment in the past as the pre qualified ODP doesn't want to take the hit of losing so much money and reverting from a civvie to a Pte's wage. Even though the long term gains are good!
 
#7
c0kecan said:
have you tried ringing the ODP Trg school to see what you will need to do to become a ODP in the army , i undertsnd that you are qualified but there are a few differences that you may have to comply with to become a Class1 Military ODP. ( Transition to military Practice course)
Why? What does it have to do with the 'Pre Reg' Training School? Laurie would be better off speaking with RAMC Recruiting... Laurie PM me for the contact details if you don't have them).

c0kecan said:
I know way back when direct entrant ODP had to to CSSD and plasters to get their class 1 money
Cokecan, Perhaps you should read the latest DGPL then you'd be able to give some correct guidance?

c0kecan said:
You will also need degree for commsion or when selcted you will be loaded on one
Really?
 
#9
dangerousdave said:
ODP isnt a degree tho at present. It's a DipHE :? I am a little confused tho, as seems other healthcare professionals can get a commission, such as Doctor, or Nurse. I was thinking that as soon as i've got my qualification, i'd be eligible for a commission as a healthcare professional? 8)
...Doctors and Nurses have A-levels and degrees.
 
#10
Carcass said:
dangerousdave said:
ODP isnt a degree tho at present. It's a DipHE :? I am a little confused tho, as seems other healthcare professionals can get a commission, such as Doctor, or Nurse. I was thinking that as soon as i've got my qualification, i'd be eligible for a commission as a healthcare professional? 8)
...Doctors and Nurses have A-levels and degrees.
So to, do many ODPs Carcass...
 
#11
Leviticus said:
Carcass said:
dangerousdave said:
ODP isnt a degree tho at present. It's a DipHE :? I am a little confused tho, as seems other healthcare professionals can get a commission, such as Doctor, or Nurse. I was thinking that as soon as i've got my qualification, i'd be eligible for a commission as a healthcare professional? 8)
...Doctors and Nurses have A-levels and degrees.
So to, do many ODPs Carcass...
... and not all nurses have degrees either... Anyhow - having a degree is irrelevant to being 'comissionable'. For as many hideously bad officers with degrees there are amazing ones without (and vice versa).

ODP or not, it seems that all you want is a commission without spending any time in the ranks first. Bad form...
 
#12
Karabinar,

I agree it is disapointing the lack of applicants for the ODP commission after bleating for so long about it and it may be misconstrued as apathy, but has anyone looked at the times lines for this commission. Talk about tight ! considering all the hoops you have to go through to complete this process
 
#13
Leviticus said:
c0kecan said:
have you tried ringing the ODP Trg school to see what you will need to do to become a ODP in the army , i undertsnd that you are qualified but there are a few differences that you may have to comply with to become a Class1 Military ODP. ( Transition to military Practice course)
Why? What does it have to do with the 'Pre Reg' Training School? Laurie would be better off speaking with RAMC Recruiting... Laurie PM me for the contact details if you don't have them).

c0kecan said:
I know way back when direct entrant ODP had to to CSSD and plasters to get their class 1 money
Leviticus said:
Cokecan, Perhaps you should read the latest DGPL then you'd be able to give some correct guidance?
As i said way back they had to do this not sure now though i didnt say he had to as you correctly pointed out the DGPL will say

c0kecan said:
You will also need degree for commsion or when selcted you will be loaded on one
Really?
With regards to the degree thats what was said at a CEG Meeting and fed back down the chain. There is no Degreee in ODP but there is in perioperative practice and other areas. Teesside uni is just starting to look at and build a degree programme to start in a few years.
 
#14
boptollocks said:
Karabinar,

I agree it is disapointing the lack of applicants for the ODP commission after bleating for so long about it and it may be misconstrued as apathy, but has anyone looked at the times lines for this commission. Talk about tight ! considering all the hoops you have to go through to complete this process
Agreed they were announced 31 October to be at MCM december
 
#15
c0kecan said:
You will also need degree for commsion or when selcted you will be loaded on one
Really?

c0kecan said:
With regards to the degree thats what was said at a CEG Meeting and fed back down the chain. There is no Degreee in ODP but there is in perioperative practice and other areas. Teesside uni is just starting to look at and build a degree programme to start in a few years.
I seem to recall the words used were... 'the aspiration is that, all those comissioned be loaded onto the degree'. There are several universities which offer a similiar programme and have done for several years; Birmingham City being one.
 
#17
I can give you a real life of the ODP in the Territorial Army, but not the regs I'm afraid.

I have over 10 years experience as an senior ODP. I also have many post registration qualifications such as:-

Advanced Life Support
Advanced Paediatric Life Support
Cannulation
Intravenous Drug Administration
Trauma Management
ALERT course

To be honest the list goes on.

So in the TA what does all this training and experience mean.

To show how much the TA medical respect and value your services you can go in as a private.

Well what about if you are a Theatre Manager that is qualified as a ODP. Oh yes you can also start off as a Private.

What about if you are also a ODP with Advanced Scrub Practitioner, First Assistant or maybe even a Anaesthetic Practitioner (Physicians Assistant). Yes you can all go in as a Private.


So how does it work for a nurse that works in theatre with maybe one years experience working in Day Surgery with no post basic theatre qualification.

Oh yes the army will allow you in as an Officer Cadet then within a few months you get a commission.

You can then work in theatre as an Officer telling all those know it all ODPs with 10 years experience and all the qualifications what to do.

This has happened to me.

So that's how it works in the TA.

I am not saying that Nurses should not get commissions or that nurse should not gain recognition for there training and skills, but I am saying that ODPs should gain an equal recognition to nurses as they do in civvi life.
 
#18
I understand what you are saying about being a PTe in the TA but when you join what understanding do you have of the Military Way. The kit and equipment the procedures and paperwork. Granted you may be a mananger in civvy street but would you know how to manage and discipline military personell.
 
#19
c0kecan said:
I understand what you are saying about being a PTe in the TA but when you join what understanding do you have of the Military Way. The kit and equipment the procedures and paperwork. Granted you may be a mananger in civvy street but would you know how to manage and discipline military personell.
You are quite correct and I agree with what you say however you could also apply your statement to a Nurse. But with your statement a Nurse will still get a commission automatically in the TA even with no military experience.

So a ODP with no military experience = private

Nurse with no military experience = Officer

So even with no experience why are both registered professions not treated the same as in the NHS.
 

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