OBL hit: Why Navy SEALs?

#1
What is the reasoning in choosing what special forces should conduct missions such as the storming of OBL's villa?

It seems to me that the US has many highly qualified people to choose from to conduct this raid:

United States special operations forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At some point it was decided to send in Navy SEALs, rather than Green Berets, Rangers, Marines, etc.

I don't think the reason is as mundane as those guys were the closest available; if news reports are to be believed the Americans had some idea that OBL was hiding out in Abbottabad for some time.

So presumably it must be something different about the training or equipment used by the Navy SEALs compared to other special forces. What is it?
 
#2
What is the reasoning in choosing what special forces should conduct missions such as the storming of OBL's villa?

It seems to me that the US has many highly qualified people to choose from to conduct this raid:

United States special operations forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At some point it was decided to send in Navy SEALs, rather than Green Berets, Rangers, Marines, etc.

I don't think the reason is as mundane as those guys were the closest available; if news reports are to be believed the Americans had some idea that OBL was hiding out in Abbottabad for some time.

So presumably it must be something different about the training or equipment used by the Navy SEALs compared to other special forces. What is it?
There was a swimming pool in the compound?

Does it matter who does the biznis? They always end up losing their choppers.
 
#4
Some SF types specialise in covert ops, some specialise in killing people and breaking things.
 
#5
Think Navy Seals are the only Tier 1 SF the US has, could be wrong
 
#6

Grumblegrunt

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#7
certain seal teams specialise in seagull and snatch missions like 6 so would be better suited, plus the opsec of setting a dummy up in the middle of the arabian sea and using a carrier as the point of departure makes more sense as no one can complain about territory when you are in international waters or ask what's going on unless someone updates their facebook status to 'off to slot public enemy number one!'

we would do the same - oh hang on no we cant as some idiot trashed out carriers.

seal teams also train with 'killing houses' a lot more than other SF and have had a lot of historical training time with them going back to NAM when they were set up from the UDT teams who in turn went through the commando school back in ww2 along with all the other US SF.
 
#8
certain seal teams specialise in seagull and snatch missions like 6 so would be better suited, plus the opsec of setting a dummy up in the middle of the arabian sea and using a carrier as the point of departure makes more sense as no one can complain about territory when you are in international waters or ask what's going on unless someone updates their facebook status to 'off to slot public enemy number one!'

we would do the same - oh hang on no we cant as some idiot trashed out carriers.
That has to be be the most remarkably oblique and bizarre promotion of carriers. Why cant helicopters fly off other ships?
 
#11
American sf specialize in losing choppers
Do you mean "Losing choppers" as in they can't remember where they parked them or "losing choppers" as in lost to enemy action and or accidents etc? Because to be fair I can think of a handful of fairly recent incidents that involved memebers of UKSF tumbling out of the sky in broken flying machines which would place them not too far behind the yanks in that department and by no means in a position to scoff at them.
 
#12
What is the reasoning in choosing what special forces should conduct missions such as the storming of OBL's villa?

It seems to me that the US has many highly qualified people to choose from to conduct this raid:

United States special operations forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At some point it was decided to send in Navy SEALs, rather than Green Berets, Rangers, Marines, etc.

I don't think the reason is as mundane as those guys were the closest available; if news reports are to be believed the Americans had some idea that OBL was hiding out in Abbottabad for some time.

So presumably it must be something different about the training or equipment used by the Navy SEALs compared to other special forces. What is it?
It was actually Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). Only US organisation allowed to do assassinations. Also does hostage rescues paramilitary ops etc. Works closely with the CIA.

Seal Team SIX/ Devgru whatever its called is the Navy Seal attachment to JSOC.

Joint Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Tinman74

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#13
Do you mean "Losing choppers" as in they can't remember where they parked them or "losing choppers" as in lost to enemy action and or accidents etc? Because to be fair I can think of a handful of fairly recent incidents that involved memebers of UKSF tumbling out of the sky in broken flying machines which would place them not too far behind the yanks in that department and by no means in a position to scoff at them.
Would that be a reference to a certain Puma dropping out of the sky in Baghdad?
 
#14
Do you mean "Losing choppers" as in they can't remember where they parked them or "losing choppers" as in lost to enemy action and or accidents etc? Because to be fair I can think of a handful of fairly recent incidents that involved memebers of UKSF tumbling out of the sky in broken flying machines which would place them not too far behind the yanks in that department and by no means in a position to scoff at them.
whoa, UKSF has organic helicopter support?
 
#16
#17
That has to be be the most remarkably oblique and bizarre promotion of carriers. Why cant helicopters fly off other ships?
Well they can, of course. But if you'd been involved in this op would you have rather flown off into the Pakistan sunset from a single spot ship, or from a carrier that can embark a whole squadron (and then some). Not to mention all the facilities that come bundled with a carrier, not least of those being the med and comms support.

This obviously ignores the possibility (probability?) that the cabs originated in Afg anyway.

And I'm not going to say anything about carriers and L***a - think that's been done to death in another thread!
 

Grumblegrunt

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#18
That has to be be the most remarkably oblique and bizarre promotion of carriers. Why cant helicopters fly off other ships?
that was based on the general fact that every US carrier generally has seals as well as marines on board so admitedly was a general assumption but you cant provide enough secure top cover such as a strike force to suppress local air assets, a c&c bird and back up choppers for when it goes defunct or like hoa lo where they deliberately used a chopper to take out the perimeter fence. when you only have one lynx on board, two if your lucky its a bit harder. the yanks generally use CH53 for this sort of thing which has three miniguns and a winch for SAR/casevac but you can bet there were a few stallions up there with a company of fleet marines, a few gunships, EA-6B, EA-2C and half the cag f18s flying support just incase anyone woke up. not to mention the ground support ready to evac them if it went wrong.

if we ever had to do anything like that again we would be better calling the isrealis and asking for a favour as they do it best.
 
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Tinman74

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#19
that was based on the general fact that every US carrier generally has seals as well as marines on board so admitedly was a general assumption but you cant provide enough secure top cover such as a strike force to suppress local air assets, a c&c bird and back up choppers for when it goes defunct or like hoa lo where they deliberately used a chopper to take out the perimeter fence. when you only have one lynx on board, two if your lucky its a bit harder. the yanks generally use CH53 for this sort of thing which has three miniguns and a winch for SAR/casevac but you can bet there were a few stallions up there with a company of fleet marines, a few gunships, EA-6B, EA-2C and half the cag f18s flying support just incase anyone woke up. not to mention the ground support ready to evac them if it went wrong.

if we ever had to do anything like that again we would be better calling the isrealis and asking for a favour as they do it best.
Chinooks and black hawks quoted, perhaps from the fabled 160 SOaR regiment?
 
#20
There was a swimming pool in the compound?

Does it matter who does the biznis? They always end up losing their choppers.
We have Choppers to Lose, what with 413 Chinooks in service and 200 more on order, over 1,460 blackhawks You guys still on foot? or did y'all finally get those 12 at brize into the air before 2050?
 

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