Obama Sells Out E. Euro Allies

#1
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/shelve-nuclear-missile-shield-europe/

WASHINGTON -- The White House will shelve Bush administration plans to build a missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, according to people familiar with the matter, a move likely to cheer Moscow and roil the security debate in Europe.
Let's see, we drop charges against Black Panthers engaged in blatant voter intimidation, while we engage in a witch hunt against our own intelligence officers. We abandon principles of constitutional law in Honduras, siding with Chavez and Castro demanding that they accept back their wannabe-dictator whom was given the boot by the judiciary and legislature, and now we sell out East European governments to appease Putin for....what? A photo op?

I want to vomit.
 
#2
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
 
#3
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
 

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#4
Yank_Lurker said:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/shelve-nuclear-missile-shield-europe/

WASHINGTON -- The White House will shelve Bush administration plans to build a missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, according to people familiar with the matter, a move likely to cheer Moscow and roil the security debate in Europe.
Let's see, we drop charges against Black Panthers engaged in blatant voter intimidation, while we engage in a witch hunt against our own intelligence officers. We abandon principles of constitutional law in Honduras, siding with Chavez and Castro demanding that they accept back their wannabe-dictator whom was given the boot by the judiciary and legislature, and now we sell out East European governments to appease Putin for....what? A photo op?

I want to vomit.
Seems to me that there was not a realistic need to defend the US from Russia by placing missiles in East Europe anyway. UK is nearer, and we are not sweating.
Clearly the policy was causing more trouble than it was worth, so he has binned it. As for selling out - the people in the countries concerned were not exactly overwhelmingly in support of the policy either, just a few self interested politicos were.....
 
#5
Yank_Lurker said:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/shelve-nuclear-missile-shield-europe/

WASHINGTON -- The White House will shelve Bush administration plans to build a missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, according to people familiar with the matter, a move likely to cheer Moscow and roil the security debate in Europe.
Let's see, we drop charges against Black Panthers engaged in blatant voter intimidation, while we engage in a witch hunt against our own intelligence officers. We abandon principles of constitutional law in Honduras, siding with Chavez and Castro demanding that they accept back their wannabe-dictator whom was given the boot by the judiciary and legislature, and now we sell out East European governments to appease Putin for....what? A photo op?

I want to vomit.
This Polish missile defense system walks into a bar one afternoon and orders six shots of vodka and a beer. The bartender says, "How can you afford to get drunk in the middle of a business day?" and the Polish missile defense system says, "I don't work."
 
#6
I think it's a shame.

Had the system gone ahead, we could have offered Putin a couple of islands in the Outer Hebrides on which to install his missile systems.

Then negotiated a fee from Obama to change our minds.
 

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#7
Yank_Lurker said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
Ah yes, the Iranian nuclear ICBM's...... :roll:
Would those be the ones that Saddam gave them?
 
#8
Yank_Lurker said:
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
Bold Point. Is this the same as the Weaponised WMD 45 minutes from deployment?

Sized Point. I think you'll find that merely saying we would look after them did for the previous 60 years or so (at least with the then NATO nations). Russians are bullies, its the way they think. Politicians wanted this. New Politicians don't. After all - you're going to have to pay for your "Socialised Medicine" somehow.
 
#9
Alsacien said:
Yank_Lurker said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
Ah yes, the Iranian nuclear ICBM's...... :roll:
Would those be the ones that Saddam gave them?
That's funny, about the only people saying that the Iranians aren't building nukes would be the US. UK intel and French intel are telling anyone who'll listen that the Iranians are. Oh--and apparently Barahdi (sp?) withheld documents demonstrating the Iranian program to create nuclear weapons. Not that we're going to get a Russian quid in stopping the Iranians in exchange for our quo of the missile systems.
 
#10
After Paris warned that new sanctions against Teheran remained an option despite the likelihood of negotiations with Iran, French President Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the Islamic republic was still working on a nuclear weapons program.


French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World "It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program," Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1251804582184
 
#11
Yank_Lurker said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
This makes me larf. It amazes me how a seemingly intelligent people the people of the US are will believe that crap. Firstly the Iranians have not developed missiles that can reach Greece let alone Poland (as yet). Secondly, Iranian missiles are not going to fly over Poland to reach anywhere in Europe. The same rhetoric was used by Blair in his rush to stick his ass up for Bush to fcuk it and get us into Iraq.
 

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#12
Yank_Lurker said:
Alsacien said:
Yank_Lurker said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
Ah yes, the Iranian nuclear ICBM's...... :roll:
Would those be the ones that Saddam gave them?
That's funny, about the only people saying that the Iranians aren't building nukes would be the US. UK intel and French intel are telling anyone who'll listen that the Iranians are. Oh--and apparently Barahdi (sp?) withheld documents demonstrating the Iranian program to create nuclear weapons. Not that we're going to get a Russian quid in stopping the Iranians in exchange for our quo of the missile systems.
Well as I said, we are quite relaxed about it in Europe so you can be too.
Maybe Obama has figured out that being the most universally hated nation is a threat in itself, and is trying not to p1ss off the entire planet like his predecessor.

P.S. Maybe Apple should ship a few crates of iPods to the Iranian government, I hear they are rather popular - could provide a breakthough in international relations.
 
#13
The Patriot anti-missile system doesn't work anyway, never hit a bloody scud in 1991, not one.

VH
 
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#14
Yank_Lurker said:
After Paris warned that new sanctions against Teheran remained an option despite the likelihood of negotiations with Iran, French President Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the Islamic republic was still working on a nuclear weapons program.


French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World "It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program," Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1251804582184
Jerusalem Post - Mmmmm...
 
#15
Cabana said:
Yank_Lurker said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
This makes me larf. It amazes me how a seemingly intelligent people the people of the US are will believe that crap. Firstly the Iranians have not developed missiles that can reach Greece let alone Poland (as yet). Secondly, Iranian missiles are not going to fly over Poland to reach anywhere in Europe. The same rhetoric was used by Blair in his rush to stick his ass up for Bush to fcuk it and get us into Iraq.
This makes me larf. When I lived in DC I shared a house with a guy who was an analyst for the DIA. He left one weekend to take his son camping; I got home from Color Guard drill early Saturday afternoon--he was home, wearing business attire preparing to leave for work. What happened to the camping trip? I ask.

Well the night previously, the North Koreans had launched a missile OVER Japan. The same missile which DIA's engineering analysts insisted didn't exist, and couldn't possibly exist. My housemate had uhhhh....been insisting otherwise for some time. Glad you're so confident of your intel.
 
#16
benjaminw1 said:
Yank_Lurker said:
After Paris warned that new sanctions against Teheran remained an option despite the likelihood of negotiations with Iran, French President Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the Islamic republic was still working on a nuclear weapons program.


French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World "It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program," Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1251804582184
Jerusalem Post - Mmmmm...
So because the JEWS reported it, Sarkozy didn't say it, huh? :roll:
 

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#17
Yank_Lurker said:
After Paris warned that new sanctions against Teheran remained an option despite the likelihood of negotiations with Iran, French President Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the Islamic republic was still working on a nuclear weapons program.


French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World "It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program," Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1251804582184
Wow really 8O

Not exactly unknown (even though your source quoted is the worst on Iranian issues) - and neither are the estimates as to how long it would take them to design them, miniturise them and stablise them enough to make them deployable....
 
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benjaminw1

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#18
Yank_Lurker said:
benjaminw1 said:
Yank_Lurker said:
After Paris warned that new sanctions against Teheran remained an option despite the likelihood of negotiations with Iran, French President Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the Islamic republic was still working on a nuclear weapons program.


French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World "It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program," Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1251804582184
Jerusalem Post - Mmmmm...
So because the JEWS reported it, Sarkozy didn't say it, huh? :roll:
Did I say that Cletus?
 
#20
Yank_Lurker said:
Cabana said:
Yank_Lurker said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Erm. Just a point.

Perhaps your current President thought that you have absolutely no right to place Missiles defending YOUR country - no one elses - on foreign Sovereign soil, and thereby make that country a pariah to its most powerful near neighbour.

As you Merkins would say - Go Figure.
Erm. Just a point. Those missiles would be able to defend against Iranian missiles. And more than the actual existance of the installations, they made a poweful statement of support and pledge of security to nations most at risk from Russian bullying. Eastern European governments paid high political prices and staked great amounts of political capitol in supporting these security arrangements, and now Ogabe pulls the rug out from under them. Notice to all current and potential allies: run like hell from security arrangements with us. We'll sell you out the second we get a weak sister in the Oval Office.
This makes me larf. It amazes me how a seemingly intelligent people the people of the US are will believe that crap. Firstly the Iranians have not developed missiles that can reach Greece let alone Poland (as yet). Secondly, Iranian missiles are not going to fly over Poland to reach anywhere in Europe. The same rhetoric was used by Blair in his rush to stick his ass up for Bush to fcuk it and get us into Iraq.
This makes me larf. When I lived in DC I shared a house with a guy who was an analyst for the DIA. He left one weekend to take his son camping; I got home from Color Guard drill early Saturday afternoon--he was home, wearing business attire preparing to leave for work. What happened to the camping trip? I ask.

Well the night previously, the North Koreans had launched a missile OVER Japan. The same missile which DIA's engineering analysts insists didn't exist, and couldn't possibly exist. My housemate had uhhhh....been insisting otherwise for some time. Glad you're so confident of your intel.
Much more confident then of US intel. I seem to recall it was British intel that infoed the US that there was going to be a major terrorist attack in the US (which the US poo pooed as such things do not happen there despite a terrorist attack on the WTC some years b4) shortly before the tragic events of the 11th of September 2001

editited for the bit below

Oh yes, and do tell why the Iranians would fire a missile over Poland to hit the rest of Europe? I know yank geography isn't up to much, but I would have thought that even US intel would know that Poland is way up north.
 

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