Obama Returns Churchill Bust

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  1. [a]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html
  2. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    Big deal. Noise over nothing.
  3. More impressive if returned Winston Churchill
  4. Gosh, something else for our Leaders to Auction, hey Obama got any thing else?
  5. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Quite right too. It was loaned to his predecessor - he doesn't want it so he returned it to its rightful owners. To have done anything else with it would have been 1: theft 2: very disrespectful.
  6. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    He prefers the statue of the Republican Abraham Lincoln instead. The guy who oppressed and killed a lot of Yankies.
  7. Oppressed and killed a lot of Southrons...not Yankees :p
  8. It's a snub. I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Gordon Brown.

    There he was, confident that Obama must be a raving leftie because he's black. Dreams of Obama becoming a mini-me while Gordon takes him by the hand and shows him how to save the world using socialism were shattered on the day after the election when Obama declined to take Gordon's phone calls.

    The increasingly desperate attempts of Gordon and his party to associate themselves with the new President are only matched by Obama's increasingly desperate attempts to avoid him. It's rumoured that BHO might not turn up for the G20 summit in London in April because Labour are planning to use him for pro-Gordon publicity.

    Gordon can't see that the Democrats are closer to the Tories than to Labour. He's like a dumped girlfriend who just wont stop calling.
  9. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Extraordinary given Lincoln's views:

    Lincoln on Racial Equality:

    I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.

    Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858

    Lincoln was against slavery but he considered Blacks in America to be a nuisance, not their fault but still a nuisance.
  10. I wonder if the civil war hadn't been in progress would the emancipation proclamation have been issued so soon.

    War against the south not being resolved quickly enough? Free all the slaves and hey presto! An extra 100,000 troops to use in the war. Or am I just a horrendous cynic?
  11. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Not at all old bean - it's well documented fact that these rights were given to negroes during the civil war for exactly that reason.
  12. ...and to cover up the fact that he had just suffered a tactical defeat to a MUCH smaller army on the bloodiest day of American history at the battle of Sharpsburg (Antietam to the Yankees).
  13. It would be quite interesting to find out how many African-Americans served in the union army during the war, I can't check now as i'm at work but will later.

    Talking about American leaders whom have less than savoury reputations with regards to slaves, I always find it rather interesting that the rebel leaders of the American revolutionary war returned the slaves freed by Britain back to the fields - hardly liberty for all.
  14. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Something to do with the right to property and the state not having the right to deprive a citizen of his property.
  15. Back to Churchill - could be several reasons for the return:
    1) It was a loan, as stated to W., not to Mr. Obama.
    2) He wants to define a different relationship between the US and UK.
    3) He has less than warm feelings towards Mr. Churchill, given the man's role in Kenya.