NZ army to remove Bible citations from armaments

#1
Bible quotes on rifles used in Afghanistan 'inappropriate'
Thursday, 21 January 2010

New Zealand defence chiefs order removal of biblical quotes on soldiers' weapon sights

New Zealand's defence chiefs have ordered biblical quotes on weapon sights used by troops in Afghanistan to be removed.

Going to war in Afghanistan with biblical citations stamped on their weapons was not appropriate for New Zealand soldiers, said defence force spokesman Major Kristian Dunne.

The markings are also on sights used by US and British troops.

US manufacturer Trijicon, of Wixom, Michigan, would be instructed to remove the inscriptions on further orders of the gun sights and the letters would be removed from gun sights already in use by troops, Maj Dunne said.

The Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight rifle sights supplied by Trijicon and used by New Zealand troops carry references to bible verses that appeared in raised lettering at the end of the sight stock number.



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/b...an-inappropriate-14644907.html?#ixzz0dEijd5aX
 
#2
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_re_as/as_new_zealand_weapon_sights

New Zealand said Thursday that Biblical citations inscribed on U.S.-manufactured weapon sights used by New Zealand's troops in Afghanistan will be removed, saying they are inappropriate and could stoke religious tensions.
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The inscriptions, which don't include actual text from the Bible, refer numerically to passages from the book.
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The Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight rifle sights used by New Zealand troops, which allow them to pinpoint tragets day or night, carried references to Bible verses that appeared in raised lettering at the end of the sight stock number.

Markings included "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.

The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ,"
 
#3
So let me get this straight - Being shot and killed by a rifle is fine, as long as the weapon doesn't have anything offensive engraved on the side? Fucking loons.
 
#4
skintboymike said:
So let me get this straight - Being shot and killed by a rifle is fine, as long as the weapon doesn't have anything offensive engraved on the side? Fucking loons.
Alas, it IS a good call. This could be used by various nutjobs (of both religious persuasions) to stoke this in to a right old shindig.

Sounds like an awesome job for the Class 3 Armourer mind :twisted:
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#5
Remind anyone of the tales about the grease used for the Enfield Patt 53 musket cartridge?


Ooh I am getting old!
 
#6
skintboymike said:
So let me get this straight - Being shot and killed by a rifle is fine, as long as the weapon doesn't have anything offensive engraved on the side? Fucking loons.
Daft innit and TBF the RN/RCN have previous for this sort of outrageous behaviour;

It became almost a craze among senior escort officers in Britain's Royal Navy to embed Biblical references in their signals. Examples of such exchanges include the following:

From a submarine returning from war patrol to the flotilla Captain:
Psalm 17, verse 4 "Concerning the works of men by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the path of the destroyers"
Reply to signal received by an officer, congratulating him on his promotion:
Psalm 140, 2nd half of verse "They have set gins for me"
Situations when Bible quotes were used were many and varied. These occasions might include:

When a ship collided with the jetty while docking:
Proverbs 22-28 "Remove not the ancient landmark which thy fathers have set"
When a ship was not keeping proper ‘station’, station being the location to which a ship or fleet is assigned for duty:
Psalm 77-19 "Thy way is in the sea and thy path in the great waters and thy footsteps are not known"
Proverbs 4-26 "Ponder the path of thy feet and let all thy ways be established"
To reprimand someone who hadn't followed instructions properly, or disobeyed them entirely:
Job 31-11 "For this is a heinous crime, yea it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges"
Proverbs 8-33 "Hear instruction and be wise and refuse it not"
To request a report on a particular action or event:
Revelations 1-19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter"
To give direction:
Deuteronomy 2-3 "Ye have compassed this mountain long enough, turn ye northward"
To chide someone who was overly concerned with promoting his own career or prospects:
Psalm 75-6 "For promotion cometh neither from the east nor from the west not from the south"
When one ship said goodbye to another ship:
Acts 21-6 "And when we had taken our leave of one another, we took ship, and they returned home again"
The content of such Biblically-based messages was often light-hearted, but it could also be serious:

In the case of a victory at sea:
Psalm 18-37 "I have pursued mine enemies and overtaken them, neither did I turn again until they were consumed"
By way of a warning against rebellious behaviour by crew members:
Philippians 3-14 "Do all things without murmurings and disputings"
Whether the intention was to praise, rebuke, or simply to entertain and enlighten, the practice of using Biblical quotations for messaging and signalling was a clever way of getting complex ideas across in a succinct fashion.

Quotation in full:
"Be not deceived, evil communications corrupt good manners"
Source
 
#9
ugly said:
Remind anyone of the tales about the grease used for the Enfield Patt 53 musket cartridge?


Ooh I am getting old!
The aftermath was good though :twisted: Firing Terries off the end of a 105mm Light Gun using proof shot has a certain je ne sais quoi about it :D Mind you the usual lefties will be up in arms about it.

I also saw that their were complaints about greenbacks having the words "In God We Trust" on them. Pay the feckers in Matabele gumbo beads :evil:
 
#10
Copied from my post in the Int Cell

Daft innit and TBF the RN/RCN have previous for this sort of outrageous behaviour;

It became almost a craze among senior escort officers in Britain's Royal Navy to embed Biblical references in their signals. Examples of such exchanges include the following:

From a submarine returning from war patrol to the flotilla Captain:
Psalm 17, verse 4 "Concerning the works of men by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the path of the destroyers"
Reply to signal received by an officer, congratulating him on his promotion:
Psalm 140, 2nd half of verse "They have set gins for me"
Situations when Bible quotes were used were many and varied. These occasions might include:

When a ship collided with the jetty while docking:
Proverbs 22-28 "Remove not the ancient landmark which thy fathers have set"
When a ship was not keeping proper ‘station’, station being the location to which a ship or fleet is assigned for duty:
Psalm 77-19 "Thy way is in the sea and thy path in the great waters and thy footsteps are not known"
Proverbs 4-26 "Ponder the path of thy feet and let all thy ways be established"
To reprimand someone who hadn't followed instructions properly, or disobeyed them entirely:
Job 31-11 "For this is a heinous crime, yea it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges"
Proverbs 8-33 "Hear instruction and be wise and refuse it not"
To request a report on a particular action or event:
Revelations 1-19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter"
To give direction:
Deuteronomy 2-3 "Ye have compassed this mountain long enough, turn ye northward"
To chide someone who was overly concerned with promoting his own career or prospects:
Psalm 75-6 "For promotion cometh neither from the east nor from the west not from the south"
When one ship said goodbye to another ship:
Acts 21-6 "And when we had taken our leave of one another, we took ship, and they returned home again"
The content of such Biblically-based messages was often light-hearted, but it could also be serious:

In the case of a victory at sea:
Psalm 18-37 "I have pursued mine enemies and overtaken them, neither did I turn again until they were consumed"
By way of a warning against rebellious behaviour by crew members:
Philippians 3-14 "Do all things without murmurings and disputings"
Whether the intention was to praise, rebuke, or simply to entertain and enlighten, the practice of using Biblical quotations for messaging and signalling was a clever way of getting complex ideas across in a succinct fashion.

Quotation in full:
"Be not deceived, evil communications corrupt good manners"
Source
 
#12
skintboymike said:
So let me get this straight - Being shot and killed by a rifle is fine, as long as the weapon doesn't have anything offensive engraved on the side? Fucking loons.
It is not that simple

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100121/wl_afp/usmilitaryreligionweapons_20100121105511

"Having Biblical references on military equipment violates the basic ideals and values our country was founded upon," MPAC Washington director Haris Tarin said in a statement.

"Worse still, it provides propaganda ammo to extremists who claim there is a 'Crusader war against Islam' by the United States," he added.
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The British Ministry of Defense meanwhile announced it had placed an order for 400 of the gunsights with Trijicon but added it had not been aware of the significance of the inscriptions, in a decision criticized by the opposition Liberal Democrat party.
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The Pentagon sought to defuse the brewing controversy, saying it was "disturbed" by the reports.

"If determined to be true, this is clearly inappropriate and we are looking into possible remedies," Commander Darryn James, a Pentagon spokesman, told
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
Another source: http://www.axfordsabode.org.uk/bibleq0a.htm

One I cherish, used in a previous incarnation by one of my COs in Malta to greet a ship joining from Gib, translates as 'There cometh a shower from out of the West.'
 
#17
Remind anyone of the tales about the grease used for the Enfield Patt 53 musket cartridge?


Ooh I am getting old!
I say! Didn't we meet for tiffin at the relief of Lucknow? Or was it on a tiger shoot in Rajahupistan?
 
#18
Shame, I bit there are plenty of juicy old testament quotes involving smiting, that would look really would look really cool on a weapon. Quite like the one used in pulp fiction

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