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nurses, police and fire fighters are special?

#1
Why is it that joe public think nurses, police and fire fighters are so special and under paid?

As far as I can see they start on basic (low) salaries but have shift and other allowances to boost them up to reasonable levels wheras young HM forces personnel get paid at such a level those 'special' people wouldn't get out of bed for it!

Us old guys may winge about the standard of new recruits but I'm even more depressed when I see the standards achieved by the 'special' ones. Nurses , police and fire fighters seem to do a lot less than they used to.

I'm sick of politicians going on about them in every speech whilst ignoring the issues within HM forces - its about time the special ones stepped back and really look at what they do. Can they really compare what they do for their wages to what a 19 year old infanteer is doing in Afghanistan!

End of Rant
 
#4
headgear said:
Why is it that joe public think nurses, police and fire fighters are so special and under paid?

As far as I can see they start on basic (low) salaries but have shift and other allowances to boost them up to reasonable levels wheras young HM forces personnel get paid at such a level those 'special' people wouldn't get out of bed for it!

Us old guys may winge about the standard of new recruits but I'm even more depressed when I see the standards achieved by the 'special' ones. Nurses , police and fire fighters seem to do a lot less than they used to.

I'm sick of politicians going on about them in every speech whilst ignoring the issues within HM forces - its about time the special ones stepped back and really look at what they do. Can they really compare what they do for their wages to what a 19 year old infanteer is doing in Afghanistan!

End of Rant
It is not worth comparing: they are special, soldiers are different.

Why take anything away from these people who have chosen to serve their country in a different way to soldiers? Personally I would not like service personnel to be lumped in with this bunch in any case.
 

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#5
Nurses really are special. Well, one that I know is. She deserves every accolade going, especially because of the trick she does with...................... (edited to preserve modesty)
 
#6
old_fat_and_hairy said:
Nurses really are special. Well, one that I know is. She deserves every accolade going, especially because of the trick she does with...................... (edited to preserve modesty)
Hers or yours?
 
#7
headgear said:
Why is it that joe public think nurses, police and fire fighters are so special and under paid?

As far as I can see they start on basic (low) salaries but have shift and other allowances to boost them up to reasonable levels wheras young HM forces personnel get paid at such a level those 'special' people wouldn't get out of bed for it!

Us old guys may winge about the standard of new recruits but I'm even more depressed when I see the standards achieved by the 'special' ones. Nurses , police and fire fighters seem to do a lot less than they used to.

I'm sick of politicians going on about them in every speech whilst ignoring the issues within HM forces - its about time the special ones stepped back and really look at what they do. Can they really compare what they do for their wages to what a 19 year old infanteer is doing in Afghanistan!

End of Rant

I'm not a nurse, I work in IT but in a hospital. I think nurses are probably the most under appreciated job there is.

It takes a special person to wipe another persons bum, that's for sure. Also to deal with the sick, dying, and dead on a daily basis year in and out and still show the compassion that the good ones are capable of showing.

Can a nurse do what a soldier does? Some are soldiers and if something happens to that 19 yr old, who's gonna take the best care of him?

As far a fire fighters and police, they put their rear ends on the line every day as well.

Not to detract from what a soldier does, but I think it's an unfair assessment.

Now if you said lawyer vs soldier, that's no contest.
 
#9
drain_sniffer said:
ghost_us said:
As far a fire fighters , they put their rear ends on the line every day as well.

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what, from their beds whilst pulling in 35k
I know guys that have burns over 80% of their body trying to pull someone out of a house.

I also know some infantry that did nothing more than walk around a motor pool their entire career.

Perhaps theres a difference between firefighters in the US and UK but I doubt it.

Wait until that 35k guy pulls you or your family from a burning building. Then you'll know his worth.
 
#10
ghost_us said:
drain_sniffer said:
ghost_us said:
As far a fire fighters , they put their rear ends on the line every day as well.

.
what, from their beds whilst pulling in 35k
I know guys that have burns over 80% of their body trying to pull someone out of a house.

I also know some infantry that did nothing more than walk around a motor pool their entire career.

Perhaps theres a difference between firefighters in the US and UK but I doubt it.

Wait until that 35k guy pulls you or your family from a burning building. Then you'll know his worth.
And the difference here between that guy and any of those guys in hotter climates is that they are doing it every fecking day for six months or longer.

Of course ghost, what you forget to mention is that, due to shift patterns, Fire Fighters only actually work for 6 months of the year.

Get off your high horse sh*tfa
 
#11
newly qualified nurses train for 3 years, on a bursary of 100 to 128 quid a week, then earn 17 to 19k for their efforts.

nursing is bloody hard

however we shouldn't be forever comparing "comparable" jobs each time anyone wants a payrise!

a better debate would be to ban police, fire , nursing , prison officers etc on going on strike- if you dont like your pay/conditions etc you can always **** off and do something else...........

oh id add barmaids to that list too.................
 
#13
Just for the record, a firefighter with more than 5 years service earns around £26k. There is no shift allowence. Time and a half for bank holidays, christmas day etc. No extras for weekends or nights. Wouldn't swap it for desert kit right now, but the job is much more than the media make it out to be and much less than many firefighters make it to be. there is bullshit in all jobs, don't blame those that do it, only those that shout their ill informed opinion of it. Find the thread about "what does the army do 9-5 when not at war". I laughed my cock off but still wouldn't want to do it.
 
#14
headgear said:
Why is it that joe public think nurses, police and fire fighters are so special and under paid?

As far as I can see they start on basic (low) salaries but have shift and other allowances to boost them up to reasonable levels wheras young HM forces personnel get paid at such a level those 'special' people wouldn't get out of bed for it!

Us old guys may winge about the standard of new recruits but I'm even more depressed when I see the standards achieved by the 'special' ones. Nurses , police and fire fighters seem to do a lot less than they used to.

I'm sick of politicians going on about them in every speech whilst ignoring the issues within HM forces - its about time the special ones stepped back and really look at what they do. Can they really compare what they do for their wages to what a 19 year old infanteer is doing in Afghanistan!B
End of Rant
Are we not all, one way or another providing a service for OUR country?
Just to add that if a war broke out here on British soil ... we the Services would all be doing our bit, Soldiers fighting for our freedom ... fire fighters rescuing People, Police ...keeping law and order and Nurses/Doctors etc tending the wounded and dying .... I know and hope its not likely to happen ... But if it did! Where would OUR country be without the lot of us pulling our weight?
 
#15
justjane07 said:
headgear said:
Why is it that joe public think nurses, police and fire fighters are so special and under paid?

As far as I can see they start on basic (low) salaries but have shift and other allowances to boost them up to reasonable levels wheras young HM forces personnel get paid at such a level those 'special' people wouldn't get out of bed for it!

Us old guys may winge about the standard of new recruits but I'm even more depressed when I see the standards achieved by the 'special' ones. Nurses , police and fire fighters seem to do a lot less than they used to.

I'm sick of politicians going on about them in every speech whilst ignoring the issues within HM forces - its about time the special ones stepped back and really look at what they do. Can they really compare what they do for their wages to what a 19 year old infanteer is doing in Afghanistan!B
End of Rant
Are we not all, one way or another providing a service for OUR country?
Just to add that if a war broke out here on British soil ... we the Services would all be doing our bit, Soldiers fighting for our freedom ... fire fighters rescuing People, Police ...keeping law and order and Nurses/Doctors etc tending the wounded and dying .... I know and hope its not likely to happen ... But if it did! Where would OUR country be without the lot of us pulling our weight?
Well, that's rousing stuff!
 
#17
A newly qualified nurse who joins the Army can expect ot earn up to £26k in their first year. Would you consider them to be overpaid?

One who doesn't will start on around £18k, while expecting to get verbal abuse daily and physically assulted around once a year (depending on speciality). Are they overpaid as well?

The problem with the forces is that they are a very closed world, while in it can be hard to see anything else, but (this may shock and offend some of you) there is more to this country than the military.
 
#18
mediumwhiteamericano said:
justjane07 said:
headgear said:
Why is it that joe public think nurses, police and fire fighters are so special and under paid?

As far as I can see they start on basic (low) salaries but have shift and other allowances to boost them up to reasonable levels wheras young HM forces personnel get paid at such a level those 'special' people wouldn't get out of bed for it!

Us old guys may winge about the standard of new recruits but I'm even more depressed when I see the standards achieved by the 'special' ones. Nurses , police and fire fighters seem to do a lot less than they used to.

I'm sick of politicians going on about them in every speech whilst ignoring the issues within HM forces - its about time the special ones stepped back and really look at what they do. Can they really compare what they do for their wages to what a 19 year old infanteer is doing in Afghanistan!B
End of Rant
Are we not all, one way or another providing a service for OUR country?
Just to add that if a war broke out here on British soil ... we the Services would all be doing our bit, Soldiers fighting for our freedom ... fire fighters rescuing People, Police ...keeping law and order and Nurses/Doctors etc tending the wounded and dying .... I know and hope its not likely to happen ... But if it did! Where would OUR country be without the lot of us pulling our weight?
Well, that's rousing stuff!
It's just a thought ... But very true ... From personal experience I can say that we are very much in the front line when it comes to terrorist attacks ... the inner London Hospital where I work was the main hospital dealing with all the casualties etc on 7/7 .... And then 21/7 ... My colleagues were all held up in the very same hospital whilst terrorist where supposedly running riot with guns in the hospital, after a foiled attack on the London underground ....
 
#19
Just had a browse on wb and here are starting payscales:

Fire: 20,396

Police: 21,008

Nurse (Scale E): 19,627

Soldier: 12,571.92

Says it all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#20
johnboyzzz said:
Just had a browse on wb and here are starting payscales:

Fire: 20,396

Police: 21,008

Nurse (Scale E): 19,627

Soldier: 12,571.92

Says it all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cannot speak for the rest of the services, but the nurses pay is after 3 years of hard training for peanuts ...
 

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