Nurse to Doctor Advice

Discussion in 'Professionally Qualified, RAMC and QARANC' started by Sneaky_Barstard, Apr 26, 2007.

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  1. Gents

    I have a young chap who is currently a nurse, who I believe has what it takes to be a Doctor, sadly he is not quite so convinced. He is a top notch nurse and also a good soldier, but alas he is also stuck in a bit of rut. He has the capabilty to commission, and from what he tells me was intending to do so in a year or so.

    The problem lies in the fact that this chap is quite rigtly being realsitic, he has a house, a mortage and a wife and would not be able to just hand in is notice and then spend 4 years at med school. Even with Army sponsorship he would not be able to financally meet the costs of his mortage, and the cost of living for 4 years.

    I am aware that as Officers we are entitlited to a years unpaid sabaticle, I'm just wondering if this is true for OR's. On top of this, I am wondering would he lose his old pension and would his break in service result in recommencing on the new pension scheme? He's served about 10 years now, so obviously pension rights are an issue for him.

    Its such a shame as I know this chap, and have worked with him, he'd make a bloody good Doctor, and would be a fine additional to the RAMC. I'm half tempted to contact the ruecruiting team on his behalf but there is an issue of potentially making waves for this chap if does decide to remain a nurse in QARANC.

    The advice I am primarily after is as follows. If he were to become a doctor would he have to leave the Army or could he just go onto an unpaid sebaticle until he had completed Foundation Year 1 and then apply for sponsorship?

    Secondly as this guy is already a qualified nurse, and on a fairly substantial wage would he go back onto his old pay rate when he did commence his sponsorship? Also Would his pension rights still stand on the olf AFP 75 or would he have to transfer to the new scheme and lose out on his 10 years service and go onto in my humble opinion a far worse and less generous pension scheme?

    I know it a lot to ask but I'm sure that someone out there may have some worldy advice for me so I can pass it onto him, this guy is more than deserving of any help we can give him, and i think he'd be a great doctor. Any advice i can give him might be able to convince him to make the jump to med school! Thanks for your help Ladies and Gents
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  2. I am disappointed that you should think that not doing medicine should be staying in a rut. Never has there been such opportunities in nursing and we need good nurses in the QARANC, especially ones with a little service under their belt. I seem to remember a couple of chaps going down the route of medicine having been in the ranks in the past and they had to leave the army, start their studies and then apply for cadetships etc later on. Both are now doctors and both were turned down by the RAMC for funding and had to manage on their own.

    Maybe your friend should be encouraged to seek out the opportunities that will challenge him within the army. This may include commissioned service but he has to navigate the RCB. Not being an officer does not stop you going places, there are plenty of independent practitioners who prescribe for themselves and are educated at Masters level adhorning the Sergeant's messes of the corps.
     
  3. Does he already have a degree? If so, then there are some areas that are doing the 'shortened' degree courses for medicine, I believe three years. It don't think it matters what the degree is in, as long as its a degree.

    I'm not sure about how it would affect his TOS, but I am sure that he would be better seeking that information through 'official' channels.
     
  4. I had a mate who got a degree as a BMS, He got really good marks and saw the entrance grades for med school and decided to have a go for it. He had a wife and kids and a married quarter.

    What he did was to work all the hours god sent as agency or bank staff in the years notice he gave the army, using his annual / termination leave and weekends. He bought a cheap house for his family and left the army to go to medical school with no promise of a scholarship from the army.

    He used his savings, his wife went to work, and he still worked agency to make ends meet during the first 2 years, then he got his scholarship which made a hell of a difference.

    I think he will be finishing med school later this year :clap:

    He had a good BMS degree and still had to do all 4 years, just was excempt some modules, although this may be different for nurses.

    If this person has the drive and motivation to become a Doctor then that person will pull out all of the stops regardless, If the person is half-hearted about it like your friend seems to be, maybe he should stay where he is.... :?:
     
  5. One of the best gassers I've ever met (God rest your soul, Lt Cmdr B****** RN) started his career by training as an RGN and then left the NHS (married) to go to medical school.

    His ability to communicate with patients is something that I've always been in awe of. I hope I'm a reasonable communicator but he put me in the shade.
     
  6. Ive come across this scenario before - and unfortunately the army would not sponsor the individual through Med School - but would gladly re-employ him upon completion of his training
     
  7. Med school is 5 years, although there are 4 year courses for graduates (or there is a 3 year degree at Queen Mary's, but you have to a 3 year medical science degree), and with any graduate course you need a 2:1 in your (relevent) degree first.
    I don't think there would be a problem with applying for a cadetship,which would cover the last 3 years.
    FF is right, being a good nurse does not mean he'd be a good doctor, or vice versa. I've done both, and there is a much bigger difference between the jobs than you may think.
    Also, there is no point going to med school if your heart isn't 110% in it. It's bloody hard work, and can be extremely frustrating, especially if you're used to doing hands on work and feeling useful. Even the keenest feel like jacking it in at some point. If your mate was desperate to become a doctor, then I'd say go for it, but by the sounds of it, he'd be much better looking at other avenues available in nursing - there are plenty of challenging nursing posts, and I'd rather have a sh!t hot nurse than a doc/med student who didn't want to be there.
     
  8. A couple of other things -
    -Most med schools require you to sit an entrance exam
    - Foundation 1 year happens AFTER qualification. Traditionally, you do 2 years pre-clinical (1 on a 4year course) and 3 years clinical training as a student. The cadetship sponsors you for the final 3 years. Even on integrated courses, the pattern is fairly similar.
    After graduation, you do Foundation 1 and 2 (the equivalent of PRHO and first year SHO), obviously you get paid for these :eek:)