Nurse - get the sick bucket please

#2
The first mistake is, the messages should be to the British people, not to the Prime minister personally (some actually are to the British people)

This is the link that should maybe have your stomach churning http://www.thankyoutony.com/honortony.php3
 
#3
Honour, Id rather slit my own throat.

SK
 
#4
More chance platting fog!!
 
#6
Wouldn't sign that even if they wrapped me in barbed wire and set fire to my toes!!!!!! Sounds fun "Honey get the light fuel out I want to try something" :twisted:
 
#9
Give him a break for christ's sake!

If the spams want to go all gooey and ridiculous over our PM then let them do whatever makes their sadly inadequate country happy. As far as I'm concerned Blair's only fault has been to follow bad intel, who in the forces an say they haven't been affected by this at some point or another? even though the advice he recieved was wrong, Blair cared enough to endanger his people and his nation in a worthwhile cause. So don't blame the Pm, blame those who advised and fed the information to him in the early stages - say waht you will, Saddam needed removing, he was making the western world jump at his every shadowy movement, which is intolerable.

(I am well aware I'll probably be unmercifully slagged off about this post, but I don't care, I'll stand for what I believe.)
 
#10
Representative Richard Baker said:
This medal attempts to capture for historical keeping what most Americans already feel in their hearts: Tony Blair is a hero.
Sick bagaggaaagggagghhhhh.

SK
 
#11
copterman said:
Give him a break for christ's sake!

If the spams want to go all gooey and ridiculous over our PM then let them do whatever makes their sadly inadequate country happy. As far as I'm concerned Blair's only fault has been to follow bad intel, who in the forces an say they haven't been affected by this at some point or another? even though the advice he recieved was wrong, Blair cared enough to endanger his people and his nation in a worthwhile cause. So don't blame the Pm, blame those who advised and fed the information to him in the early stages - say waht you will, Saddam needed removing, he was making the western world jump at his every shadowy movement, which is intolerable.

(I am well aware I'll probably be unmercifully slagged off about this post, but I don't care, I'll stand for what I believe.)
When you grow up you will discover that Our Dear Leader only needs advice to justify his own vision "I only know what I believe" as he repeatedly stated at the Partei conference.Facts do not matter to him .Like Adolf in the bunker,he maintains his vision at all costs taking no account of reality.I'm sorry to have to break it to you but Santa Claus does not exist!
 
#12
You can polish a turd, but at the end of the day it's still a turd!
 
#13
copterman said:
Give him a break for christ's sake!

If the spams want to go all gooey and ridiculous over our PM then let them do whatever makes their sadly inadequate country happy. As far as I'm concerned Blair's only fault has been to follow bad intel, who in the forces an say they haven't been affected by this at some point or another? even though the advice he recieved was wrong, Blair cared enough to endanger his people and his nation in a worthwhile cause. So don't blame the Pm, blame those who advised and fed the information to him in the early stages - say waht you will, Saddam needed removing, he was making the western world jump at his every shadowy movement, which is intolerable.

(I am well aware I'll probably be unmercifully slagged off about this post, but I don't care, I'll stand for what I believe.)
NOT slagging off copterman, and yes I have noticed this is the NAAFI thread! We've been over this ground before, but:

"Blair's only fault has been to follow bad intel"; "blame those who advised"

Isnt the charge against Mr Blair unfortunately more serious than that?

Accept that the defence/intel community had been reporting on Iraqi WMD capabilities for years, but did they REALLY advise him that Iraq presented an imminent threat to UK national interests, against which the only defence was to join in a pre-emptive attack by the United States?

Despite later saying that he never knew the "45 minutes" claim (which he himself released to the public) related only to battlefield weapons, the PM promised us in the same document that "I and other Ministers have been briefed in detail...) If his advisers really did not offer him that information, I cannot imagine a previous Labour or Conservative PM failing to ask the glaringly-obvious question.

Fact is, whether you support Mr B or not, the reason for his actions was the understandable strategic policy decision to support our major allies. The Tory leadership took the same view as he did at the time, but they didnt have access to the same information.

If the PM took the correct decision, he gets the credit. If it wasn't the correct decision, the blame rests with him. IMO his "advisers" (defence, intel, legal) all produced what they were expected to produce.

Incidentally, we will presumably never know but I wonder what information he gave to the Sovereign at the time?
 
#14
Hackle wrote
If the PM took the correct decision, he gets the credit. If it wasn't the correct decision, the blame rests with him. IMO his "advisers" (defence, intel, legal) all produced what they were expected to produce.
Whilst it was basically a lot of crap researched to get a certain answer favourable to the hierachy, the Hutton report shows what pressure was brought to bear to ensure that Bliar + Campbell's wishes were reflected in these recommendations.
 
#16
galgenberg said:
When you grow up you will discover that Our Dear Leader only needs advice to justify his own vision "I only know what I believe" as he repeatedly stated at the Partei conference.Facts do not matter to him .Like Adolf in the bunker,he maintains his vision at all costs taking no account of reality.I'm sorry to have to break it to you but Santa Claus does not exist!
Neatly sidestepped the point of my post, I see. What I was saying is that the information given to Mr Blair was what was believed to be correct at that time. It may well have been proved since that estimates were in error or badly presented, but it is always dangerous looking at events with a 'what we know now' approach.

Plus IMO the one overriding factor, something HAD TO BE DONE. Saddam was turning the entire western world into a laughing stock in front of all the small dictatorships and terrorist states out there, the major mistakes were not using overwhelming force in the first place, and not planning well enough for the power vacuum that came in the aftermath.

Maybe it would have been better to finish the job off in the first conflict? I have no idea, it is once again one of the main 'what if?' questions that haunt us. However the Tory government of the time and Bush Snr. decided not to press teh advantage home, therefore we shall never know what might of been.
 
#17
Sorry to interrupt the above messages but just pressed a random button and got this rather upsetting "Thankyou Tony" letter from a Brit kid, it's not just the Yanks then??

"I couldn’t use a British county because the website assumed I came from USA, but I don’t know of a British website that does the same, and I thought I’d make myself ‘Texan’ because that’s where your fellow hero (as in I support him) is from.

God Bless you. God bless all you have done for us as our prime minister, as well as the USA and otherwise internationally. I support your work in Iraq, and as a GCSE student am one of the only young people I know who does.

What is right isn’t always popular, and you are brave in doing what is right. You are my national hero. I will be eligible to vote in the next election and considering what a great job you’re doing I will vote Labour.

Thank you."
 
#18
That was most definately a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't. And also what could we have used as justification for rolling all the way in to Bagdad when the operation was in effect to drive him out of Kuwait. IMO we should indeed have done exactly that, done the job the first time around. Might have ment I was there a bit longer but at least we would have sorted it. :roll:
 
#19
After nearly bringing up my breakfast when I clicked on that link it was a welcome antidote to see this article by Tony Parsons in today's mirror. I'm all for a website where our colonial cousins can pass on their gratitude to the Brits and HM Forces, it's the glorification of the Beloved Leader that almost has me doing a passable copy of the two Womens Institute characters on Little Britain.

WHERE WAS YOUR RESPECT, MR BLAIR? Jan 3 2005

FOR a British Prime Minister to stay on holiday when the world is mourning more than 129,000 dead is a colossal act of disrespect.

And disrespect is the key word here.

Never mind the craven, Bible-bashing hypocrisy of Tony Blair, who always sheds his tears for the starving of Africa but can't bring himself to cut short his hols when the people of Asia are digging mass graves.

Never mind the practical problems of dealing with the aftermath of the tidal waves - the cholera, typhoid and malaria that threaten to overwhelm areas that are already devastated.

Never mind the lack of judgment of a leader who refuses to take charge when many of his citizens have had their families and their lives torn apart, or are in the terrible twilight zone of not knowing if their son, their father, their brother, their mother is dead or alive.

Never mind any of that for the moment.Just consider, if you will, the grotesque act of disrespect that Tony Blair has shown to the dead and the dying and the broken-hearted. Show some respect, man! You are tanning yourself in a a £5million villa in Sharm-al-Sheik, Egypt's idyllic tourist resort, when the world is hearing stories of babies torn from their mother's arms, of honeymooners clinging to each other as they are washed away, of a mountain of bodies too bloated and decomposed to be recognised by those who loved them.

Blair's sickening selfishness makes me ashamed to be British.

And it stuns me. I know he is just another politician, but I would never have guessed that Tony Blair was capable of such a lack of taste, humanity and judgment.

GERMANY'S Gerhard Schroeder cut short his holiday. Russia's Vladimir Putin spoke of the disaster on TV. It was left to Ireland's Bertie Ahern to appear on British television. And he looked devastated.

Blair's belated interview with Channel 4 was laughable. "I've been in touch - at first daily, practically hourly actually," he whimpered.

Pathetic. Truly pathetic, Prime Minister.

Lest we forget, Blair is not some hardass cowboy like Bush, or some beetle-browed hard nut like Putin.

Blair cares!

He simpers and coos about how he is going to save Africa. He gets almost tearful when he thinks about the Iraqi children he has crippled and killed. He is a big mate of U2's Bono, rock music's Mother Teresa.

But now we see that he doesn't care quite enough to cut short _ a holiday when the world is facing its biggest natural disaster for a century.

The entire planet is touched by this crisis, and none of us has to travel very far to find someone who is close to the centre of the storm.

The newsagents at the end of my street - Tamils from Sri Lanka.

A friend from Liverpool on holiday with his wife and three children - spending Christmas in Phuket, Thailand.

The tsunami and its aftershocks are more like a war than an act of terrorism. Literally millions of lives are affected and can never be the same again.

The response of the public restores your faith in humanity.

People who have very little put their hands in their pockets to give to those who have even less.

Aid workers risk disease to bring help to those who have lost everything.

Tourists become volunteers carrying corpses from beaches.

Among all the altruism, Tony Blair - more touchy, defensive and brittle than he has ever been - shines like a beacon of selfishness.

Doesn't he get it? This terrible disaster was a tragedy for the planet. It has washed away Muslims, Christians and Buddhists alike.

Here was a chance for the Prime Minister to show the Third World that, despite the filthy little war in Iraq, the British are actually not a bunch of heartless bastards.

But Tony Blair didn't stir from his sun-lounger. Countless lives, towns and even islands washed away, and Blair never left the pool.

Children gone - so many children, too small to cling to palm trees, too tiny to fight for their lives, too vulnerable to survive those giant waves.

ALL those children taken by that terrible flood, and Blair decides to let Prescott and Straw handle it, and to stay in touch by telephone.

I have heard the excuses, and they all suck.

Blair has a dodgy ticker? He seems hearty enough when he is posing for a sexy photoshoot on a British tank in Iraq.

Blair didn't know the scale of the disaster? By the end of Boxing Day, the dead could have filled a football stadium. There are no excuses for taking a vacation when thousands are digging mass graves.

Blair is our Prime Minister but he is no kind of leader. He cares about the poor buggers in the Third World only as long as they do not interfere with his holiday plans.

Blair is capable of soaking up the sun when, from the shores of Africa to the low-lying islands of the Maldives to the shanty towns of Sri Lanka to the beach resorts of Thailand to the fishing villages of Indonesia, the dead mount up beyond counting.

The mind reels at Blair's passivity, his dumb selfishness, his pitiful meekness in the face of all those lost lives.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi gave a press conference suggesting that the wealthy G8 countries should have an emergency meeting to discuss how to respond to the tragedy.

BUT Blair rejected the call for a G8 summit, and no doubt rubbed some more Ambre Solaire on his wife's gigantic behind.

When he is back from his hols, expect Blair to be emoting all over your TV screens, getting tearful, like the big ham actor that he is and always has been.

Too little, too late, Prime Minister.

You had a chance to show your compassion and humanity and Christianity.

And you couldn't be arsed.

In fairness to Blair, those 129,000 people chose the worst possible time to die.

Perishing on Boxing Day was obviously inconvenient for the Prime Minister and his sunbathing schedule.

Unbelievable.

If anyone tells you that a Prime Minister deserves a holiday too, laugh in their face.

I will tell you what it comes down to. For those of us who have never experienced a war, this country - and this little blue planet - has just endured a tragedy and a trauma unlike anything we have ever known.

The death toll is difficult to comprehend. The tsunami was like a month of 9/11s. It is a tragedy for the entire human race.

The British people have responded with their usual generosity and compassion.

But the British Prime Minister - a world leader who doesn't lead, a world leader who doesn't give a fig about a global crisis - should be deeply ashamed.

Blair should have overseen our response to the crisis, to help loved ones frantic for information, the aid agencies desperate to help, and the communities devastated by the floods.

Tony Blair should have recognised that what happened on Boxing Day was the greatest test of his leadership since he came to office.

He should never have stayed in the £5million villa by the Red Sea.

He should have had the heart to lead.

Prime Minister - you should have shown some respect for the dead, and for the millions who mourn them.
 

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