Now and then

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  1. I have been pondering this subject for a while now, and have tried various ways of wording it, and thus far, still dont know if this is the correct way, so bare with me.

    I am also not sure where to post the thread if im honest, as it to my mind is a bit of a thin ice area as well, anyway.....


    I for one, hate to see the " KIA date" threads, I get angry at the pure volume of them, not for the fact they are being posted, but for the total waste of life and the regularity that they appear.

    I have stopped posting on them, for my own personal reasons, mainly because I hate to see them, again, my own reasons.

    But then I got to thinking, is this the age we live in? where as soon as a bit of news happens, we as a family (service/ex service folks), for want of a better term, feel the need to post our own condolences?

    Is it because, we do not have the huge losses that have been suffered in previous battles/wars etc in one go so to speak, and as such can segregate individual loss into its own itemised arena?

    Would the guys and girls of wars past, have done the same? or is it a modern thing? internet aside obviously.
    Modern in so much as, is this a thing we as people now do because we have the ability to do it through the internet medium, or is it down to the fact we are a different type of people now? and as such, show our feelings in a more open way?

    I understand that we have pro mourners and grief whores, but that is not what im getting at, I just wonder if this is a modern "because we have the ability through the internet" thing, or " we are a different type of people now" thing?





    MODs if wrong forum please move, or if its a bit too dodgy a subject then delete, I was just curious.
     
  2. To be honest, I think it's a bit of both. The internet allows instant communication between large groups of people in a way that has no parallel in history and, added to that, people have grown a bit un-used to death. Up until quite recently, high rates of infant mortality, fatal industrial accidents and the odd epidemic were accepted parts of life. Plus you can chuck the Diana phenomenon into the mix and the fact that such high casualties rates over a sustained period have not been seen since at least the early 70's.
     
  3. I think for most people it's a simple acknowledgement and a sign of support for those left behind. There is a genuine sense of grievance that the government really never gave a siht how many were killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, so it's a bit like giving them the fingers on behalf of the deceased.
     
  4. i think, as well, from a 'gopping civvie' point of view...a lot was made in the media at the beginning of the modern conflicts, that joe public wasn't behind the lads, unpopular ? unlawful war yadda yadda! I'm sure we all remember it.

    Much of the grief whore type behaviour stems, i believe, from people wanting to stand up and say "No...don't speak for me, I AM behind them"

    Maybe it's a 2 edged sword, maybe it's a blessing, I'm not in a position to know if its a good or bad thing! Just an opinion.
     
  5. The casualty lists used to be published back in the day of paper news, books of condolence created, we even went to the extent of making bloody great big stone monuments and carved peoples names on. The internet is cheaper, quicker and easier to visit.
     
  6. I think that we would have done exactly the same if the Internet had been around in earlier times. It is an incredibly fast, world wide information highway that can be used for both good and evil and has without a doubt changed the world, whether for better is another thing altogether. Just one example close to us, is this current situation and thanks to the net has had immediate response.....

    Quote DeltaDog:
    WO1 Mac McGearey is serving with 1 RTR. His daughter, Ciara, desperately needs specialist care, but the family has been shafted by Edinburgh Council who are taking them to court...etc.

    One is able to respond to something quickly and receive acknowledgement just as quickly in return. People can achieve almost instant fame, eg Subo or mass derision eg Chavs getting twatted. Memorials etc are set up on facebook and KIA here. People haven't changed really, the Internet has enabled people to communicate freely and instantly with one another, whether they are fit, healthy, unhealthy or disabled, in a free and easy manner.